The MADness of the gay marriage debate

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Re: The MADness of the gay marriage debate

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God, smac97 is stupid:

Here we go:
SAN FRANCISCO (AP) - California high court upholds gay marriage ban but allows existing same-sex marriages to stand.

That's it. Boy, the AP is getting brief these days...

-Smac


Did he expect a seven-page New York Times Magazine story on the intricacies of the ruling three minutes after it was made public?
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I haven't looked at the MAD thread yet and don't really intend to, but your points here, beastie, were spot on:

beastie wrote:This type of response reveals that LDS like you really do think homosexuality is a worse sin than anything else. After all, this country is already riddled with fornication, adultery, pornography, child abuse, divorce, and the oppression of the poor and powerless, yet it would be gay marriage that would fulfill this scripture.



I can list off the top of my head, at least 10 cases of high profile child abuse cases that have been reported in the last, say, 2 weeks. Cases where a mother pushed her children off a bridge, a mother who smothered her child and buried him in playground sand, where a 3 year old was sexually assaulted in a 24 hour period by an adult male who picked her up near her home, the new case of a missing 5 year old whose mother was knowingly living with a registered sex offender (yeah, you read that right) and not long ago the 8 year old sexually assaulted (raped with a screw driver) and killed by a sunday school teacher who investigators now tie to two previous poisonings (one of a child), and the father (on PCP) who ATE his 4 year old child's eye out of his living skull.

None of these crimes perpetrated by gays. Not one.

I could go on, but why bother? The religious community isn't responding to these high profile child abuse cases and that includes the LDS church.

The hetero:gay ratio itself guarantees that hetero's carry out the highest percentage of crimes in the country (world) and yet, there are people harping on gays for what? For the breakdown of society as we know it?

I've got news for y'all, society is breaking down around you and the sins are being perpetrated on the heads of our own children.

Where is the religious outcry for THAT? What about this "brothers keeper" business? Instead of nosing around in the lives of gays, how about keeping the children safe for starters?

Sorry if this comes off as a rant, it makes me so utterly angry.
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Jersey Girl, it's not a coincidence that the people who believe that gay marriage spells the end of civilization are the same people who believe that Joseph Smith translated the Book of Abraham.
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JohnStuartMill wrote:Jersey Girl, it's not a coincidence that the people who believe that gay marriage spells the end of civilization are the same people who believe that Joseph Smith translated the Book of Abraham.


Maybe they should get their noses out of the Book of Abraham and take a look at what's really going on around them.
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beastie wrote:
So I’m looking for feedback on two points. One, do you agree or disagree with my primary point that when the younger generation takes over, gay marriage will be legalized, if it hasn’t been before then?

And two, was what I said really that bad that I – out of all the people on that thread – deserved to be suspended?


It is no surprise that the young generation supports gay marriage. They have been bombarded with gay imaging on MTV and on reality shows. Plus, it is difficult to find a rock star who is against gay marriage or a movie star. I have seen reality shows where bi-sexuality is stressed as the main participant seeks to find love either from a man or woman. And so, it is no surprise that young people are more lax about gays and gay marriage. The media has done a wonderful brainwash job. And so, yes, you are correct on that point. But as they get older they may lose their support of gay marriage.

Your tone sucked and so, you got suspended. It made sense to suspend you.
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Jersey Girl wrote:
JohnStuartMill wrote:Jersey Girl, it's not a coincidence that the people who believe that gay marriage spells the end of civilization are the same people who believe that Joseph Smith translated the Book of Abraham.


Maybe they should get their noses out of the Book of Abraham and take a look at what's really going on around them.

Today we live in a postmodern world where anything goes. And for those that are against aspects of postmodernism, there is a sense that one is longer free to voice a contrary opinion...just look at poor Miss California. Most LDS are taking a look at what is going on around them... and they don't like what they see.
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why me wrote:
beastie wrote:
So I’m looking for feedback on two points. One, do you agree or disagree with my primary point that when the younger generation takes over, gay marriage will be legalized, if it hasn’t been before then?

And two, was what I said really that bad that I – out of all the people on that thread – deserved to be suspended?


It is no surprise that the young generation supports gay marriage. They have been bombarded with gay imaging on MTV and on reality shows. Plus, it is difficult to find a rock star who is against gay marriage or a movie star. I have seen reality shows where bi-sexuality is stress as the main participant seeks to find love either from a man or woman. And so, it is no surprise that young people are more lax about gays and gay marriage. The media has done a wonderful brainwash job. And so, yes, you are correct on that point. But as they get older they may lose their support of gay marriage.
When popular culture communicates to adults that gay people are human beings, that's "brainwashing", but when a religious group inculcates into children the belief that gay people are afflicted with a moral disease, that's not? Stop being stupid, please.

Your tone sucked and so, you got suspended. It made sense to suspend you.

How would you characterize selek's tone, why me? What about Pahoran's?
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JSM wrote:Today we live in a postmodern world where anything goes. And for those that are against aspects of postmodernism, there is a sense that one is longer free to voice a contrary opinion...just look at poor Miss California. Most LDS are taking a look at what is going on around them... and they don't like what they see.



Are they? Are they really looking at what's going on around them? Not just LDS, the religious community in general.

In my view, the measure of society is found in how it treats it's children. Apparently the anything that goes in this society also includes parents getting smacked on drugs and eating their kids eye ball out of his head.

"Daddy ate my eyes".

ATE his kids EYES.

LDS think gays threaten society? Gays?

Where is the public outcry from LDS regarding violence perpetrated on children? Where is Dobson?

What the hell.
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I'm sorry beastie. I know my comments are probably seen as derailing the intent of your thread but I cannot tolerate the misplaced focus of the religious community when I think the future health of society has more to do with the well being of children than it has to do with consenting adults wanting to pledge their lives to each other.
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why me wrote:
Jersey Girl wrote:
Maybe they should get their noses out of the Book of Abraham and take a look at what's really going on around them.

Today we live in a postmodern world where anything goes. And for those that are against aspects of postmodernism, there is a sense that one is longer free to voice a contrary opinion...just look at poor Miss California. Most LDS are taking a look at what is going on around them... and they don't like what they see.

You don't know what the Screw you're talking about. I assume by "postmodernism" you mean "moral relativism", but even that doesn't salvage your point from the bottom of Stupid Lagoon. Moral relativists can't be opposed to anti-gay-marriage advocates. They're moral relativists -- tey beleef een notting, Leboski.
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