The MADness of the gay marriage debate

[_truth dancer]

Hey Beastie,

There were those who believed people with black skin were inferior to those with light skin, people who thought the idea of equality was sinful, people who believed it was God's will that white men should have rights not afforded to women or blacks. Slowly we have witnessed this change as we have moved into a world community that finds this archaic notion disgusting, immoral, even cruel.

With each generation, we see less and less of the racism. Another few generations and it will be nearly eliminated.

Similarly, as humans learn more about the brain and behavior; and as many discover that there is not an elite, chosen group of people whose opinions and beliefs must be embraced by all of humanity or they will suffer eternal damnation, humankind is letting go of the nonsense regarding homosexuality.

To whom one is attracted is so NOT a critical issue right now. The younger generation just doesn't really care, just like they don't care if a president has dark skin. These things are not considered a problem, let alone something with which they must concern themselves.

Another few generations apologists will be claiming that the LDS church never believed homosexuality was of Satan, never taught it was a sin, never demonstrated any sort of negativity toward the gay and lesbian community.

Regarding your banning... you were making too much sense!



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[_Phouchg]

It is no surprise that the young generation supports gay marriage. They have been bombarded with gay imaging on MTV and on reality shows. Plus, it is difficult to find a rock star who is against gay marriage or a movie star. I have seen reality shows where bi-sexuality is stressed as the main participant seeks to find love either from a man or woman. And so, it is no surprise that young people are more lax about gays and gay marriage. The media has done a wonderful brainwash job. And so, yes, you are correct on that point. But as they get older they may lose their support of gay marriage.

Let's go back to 1965 on the eve of the passage of the civil rights act. How would those who oppose civil rights sound...

It is no surprise that the young generation supports civil rights for blacks. They have been bombarded with black imaging on TV. Plus, it is difficult to find a rock and roll star who is against civil rights or a movie star. I have seen TV shows where blacks portray characters who aren't maids or porters. And so, it is no surprise that young people are more lax about civil rights for blacks. The media has done a wonderful brainwash job. And so, yes, you are correct on that point. But as they get older they may lose their support of civil rights for blacks.



Have the youth of the 60s lost their support of civil rights?


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[_beastie]

I do agree that people change their minds on topics as they age. However, the change goes in both directions, so I’m unpersuaded that enough of the younger generation will change their mind in one direction only – the direction of opposition to gay marriage – that my underlying assumption is incorrect. (my assumption, in case anyone missed it, is that when the younger generation takes over, the debate over gay marriage will be over, and gay marriage will be legalized without much contention)

Another reason I think it’s unlikely a significant number of the younger generation will oppose gay marriage as they age is due to the fact that they are simply more comfortable with gay people than the older generations. Yes, I think this is at least partly attributable to the deliberate decision of the gay community (speaking in generalities) to “come out of the closet”. The more people who are open about their homosexuality, the more the rest of us understand that gay people aren’t “alien”, or frightening in some way. They’re just people, like heterosexuals. Some good, some bad. The more we see the “other” as “like unto us” (hee hee), the less likely we are to find justifications for institutionalized bias.

Jersey Girl, I do not think you’re derailing the thread by pointing out the hypocrisy in the hyper-focus on homosexuality as the downfall of society. That was part of the point I was trying to make to charity.

JSM – excellent article. Thanks for the link.

Whyme – tell me specifically why my tone “sucked”. Was it my use of the word “ridiculous”? I’m not a gambler, but I’d bet money if I could do a search for the word “ridiculous”, I’d find lots of posters used it without ramifications. Honestly, I was shocked to find out I’d been suspended. Obviously, I’ll be banned soon, because I cannot possibly be careful enough to suit the mods without engaging in obsequious pandering, which is against my nature. I’d like to keep the account open for search purposes, so I’ll probably just not post again and risk being banned altogether.

[_Brackite]

Here is the Link to this Discussion Thread:

http://www.mormonapologetics.org/index. ... opic=43489

[_beastie]

Thanks, Brackite. I obviously can't provide a link myself, being suspended.

[_Ray A]

Thanks, Brackite. I obviously can't provide a link myself, being suspended.

You can't access the board at all?

[_beastie]

You can't access the board at all?

That's right. When I go to the address, the message is "you've been suspended". I was only able to look at the board enough to figure out why by using a proxy server, which I hate, due to pop-ups.

[_Ray A]

That's right. When I go to the address, the message is "you've been suspended". I was only able to look at the board enough to figure out why by using a proxy server, which I hate, due to pop-ups.

Just wondering. When I was suspended for a day that was not the case. I didn't feel any urge to post anyway. I wasn't sure what the suspension procedure is.

[_Gazelam]

Some goods points have been made by both Beastie and Jersey, namely that there are numerous social ills that need to be focused on, not just homosexuality.

Abject cruelty is nothing new. A parent killing their child, cannibalism, the list goes on. There is a difference though, These acts are relative anomolies, these horrific acts are so outside normal behavior that they make the paper and are reported far and wide as vile behavior.

What makes the homosexuality issue such a cause for alarm is that homosexual acts used to be categorized with other abnormal behaviors. they would be mentioned alongside the weirdo sheepherder who was caught in an act of bestiality.

Since the proliferation of pornography in the eighties alongside the VHS and Beta players peoples moral compasses have gone askew. The showcasing of Lesbian, and to a lesser extent gay male, sexual relationships greatly destroyed many of the taboos and stigma associated with these relationships.

The breaking down of these walls does not lessen the true nature of this vile conduct. A rose is a rose by any other name.

The true form of a sexual relationship was placed within the bounds of marriage from the very beginning. A male and female partnership is in fact a reflection of the highest relationship meant for us by our Heavenly Parents. Homosexual relationships are a mockery of what is proper and wholesome and intended for us that we might in our lives have a fulness of joy by reflecting what is in heaven above.

[_Ray A]

Abject cruelty is nothing new. A parent killing their child, cannibalism, the list goes on. There is a difference though, These acts are relative anomolies, these horrific acts are so outside normal behavior that they make the paper and are reported far and wide as vile behavior.

What makes the homosexuality issue such a cause for alarm is that homosexual acts used to be categorized with other abnormal behaviors. they would be mentioned alongside the weirdo sheepherder who was caught in an act of bestiality.

For Gaz's attention: Church Response to California Supreme Court Decision on Proposition 8.

Accordingly, the Church stands firmly for what it believes is right for the health and well-being of society as a whole. In doing so, it once again affirms that all of us are children of God, and all deserve to be treated with respect. The Church believes that serious discussion of these issues is not helped when extreme elements on both sides of the debate demonize the other.