Paul Osborne, Nightlion, and the Book of Abraham

[_Nightlion]

You didn't answer my question, nightlion. Are you trying to start your own church or are you seeking to take over the LDS church?

I am not seeking to take over the LDS Church. It is apostate to the core and full all manner of abominations and hypocrisy and secret murders, thefts and sorceries. I think a remant of priesthood can be salvaged and there is possibly some rag tag saints scattered hither and thither, but the LDS Church will never arise and put on her beautiful garments or the power of the redemption of Zion. It is fallen.

Another question: do you see yourself as a modern day John the Baptist, coming out of the wilderness to pave the way for the Savior?

I stood in front of the LDS Administration building for two days after the last conference lifting up before the eyes of the Brethren the Ensign unto the Nations even the Stone Cut Out Of The Mountain Without Hands, the signature of Jesus Christ and his repudiation of his intended bride, the Restored Church, which has committed fornication with the kings of the earth and become the whore of all the earth, a mother of harots, lifted up in the pride of her heart above all nations.

A young lady acosted me and reviled me that I was no prophet. I sang loudly:

PREPARE YE THE WAY OF THE LORD
AND MAKE HIS PATHS STRAIGHT
FOR THE HOUR OF HIS COMING IS NIGH

I said; how's that for a prophet! She slunk away dazed, still insulting.

So, yeah, sort of like a John the Baptist. It has not happened yet but I cannot say that it has not begun , I suspect I or someone ( I can't imagine who) soon will be given to fulfill that which was offered to Oliver Cowdery to finish the four square foundation of the kingdom of the Zion of our God.

Oliver Cowdery was commanded to bring forth wisdom and to find out the mysteries from other hidden records and have many revelations that would compliment what Joseph Smith recieved. But he feared and lost out. The lack of these important gifts and knowledge doomed the Church from the beginning. It has suffered under condemnation since.

Was the LDS Chruch set up to fail? Perhaps so that a great theater would exist where God could perform his Strange Act before a knowledgable audience, just as the ministry of Christ was in a prepared theater of hypocrisy and pretense.

[_Jersey Girl]

Nightlion,

You're being invited to chat with us. You just click on "Chat" at the blue bar at the top of your screen.

Come right in!

[_Pokatator]

Nightlion

If I send you the 10 grand you need can you guarantee my "Calling and Election Made Sure"? Would that be enough to get me a high ranking position in your church?

Just wondering because my 10 grand might be better spent on my next life since I have lost so much in my investments in this life.

Sincerely.
Pok

[_Paul Osborne]

What have you done with your baptism?

My baptism has remained a cleansing symbol between me and God that my sins are taken away in Christ. I’m very glad that I chose to be baptized at the age of 8. Baptism is a personal matter between humankind and Deity.

I think you lead an interesting life. There certainly is bitterness between you and the LDS Church. Is your animosity directed more towards the members at large or just the general leadership that maintains the direction of the Church? It seems that you have utter condemnation upon the whole membership without regard that there are many wonderful loving people in the church who wouldn’t hurt a fly. So, I find your attitude to be a bit overbearing.

It’s obvious that you condemn the General Authorities of the Church and consider them to be apostate and even criminals. That’s a pretty drastic judgment on your part but you’re entitled to your opinion and I must respect that. However, for your sake, you better be right about it or you’ll find yourself judging yourself in the hereafter, finding yourself guilty of the very things you accused others of doing. Jesus taught that we shouldn't judge others personally lest we find that our judgments were wrong and there is a sore price in doing so. So this is ground that we all have to walk on carefully.

Frankly, I don’t believe your testimony as one being called of God or that you are a living prophet to the people. I respect your right to express your views about your utter dissatisfaction and the rejection of the Church, it is so noted. But you won't get a dime from me.

Paul O

[_Paul Osborne]

Do you believe the Book of Abraham is the word of God?

Paul O

Yes and a great scripture at that.

In this we are in agreement.

Paul O

[_Nightlion]

What have you done with your baptism?

My baptism has remained a cleansing symbol between me and God that my sins are taken away in Christ. I’m very glad that I chose to be baptized at the age of 8. Baptism is a personal matter between humankind and Deity.

I think you lead an interesting life. There certainly is bitterness between you and the LDS Church. Is your animosity directed more towards the members at large or just the general leadership that maintains the direction of the Church? It seems that you have utter condemnation upon the whole membership without regard that there are many wonderful loving people in the church who wouldn’t hurt a fly. So, I find your attitude to be a bit overbearing.

It’s obvious that you condemn the General Authorities of the Church and consider them to be apostate and even criminals. That’s a pretty drastic judgment on your part but you’re entitled to your opinion and I must respect that. However, for your sake, you better be right about it or you’ll find yourself judging yourself in the hereafter, finding yourself guilty of the very things you accused others of doing. Jesus taught that we shouldn't judge others personally lest we find that our judgments were wrong and there is a sore price in doing so. So this is ground that we all have to walk on carefully.

Frankly, I don’t believe your testimony as one being called of God or that you are a living prophet to the people. I respect your right to express your views about your utter dissatisfaction and the rejection of the Church, it is so noted. But you won't get a dime from me.

Paul O

Dear people all. Not just to you but alway to me.
I was more rejected by the LDS membership than by its leaders. But the membership should have been given the gifts and power of the Holy Ghost so that they would have rejoiced together with me. That was the fault of the leaders who refused to fear God or keep his commandments and were content to set up their own righteousness and sear the conscience of the people with their hot iron or false reading of scripture.

If you had the Spirit you would give more than a dime to the cause of Zion. What you have is a false gospel, that engenders a false hope, which lifts you up with a false joy, that is a false spirit. And that spirit is the pride of Mormons worldwide that they are the best of the best, even of the whole world. Heady stuff that.

After you fear God and bow to his septer and seperate from the crafts of men and take upon you the name of Christ with full purpose of heart and are wrought upon and truly cleansed by an act of Almighty creation upon your heart, mind and soul, then you will know that you did not have the gift and power of the Holy Ghost like you thought you did.

...nothing is a greater injury to the children of men than to be under the influence of a false spirit when they think they have the Spirit of God.
Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith page 205

[_Paul Osborne]

Nightlion,

Judge me all you want, I don't care. I have Jesus and feel his love and there is nothing you or anyone can do to stop that. You know nothing about my relationship with God, nothing. So, judge away!

I tell you I'd give my money to any other church before I'd ever give you a cent.

Paul O

[_Nightlion]

What have you done with your baptism?

My baptism has remained a cleansing symbol between me and God that my sins are taken away in Christ.
Paul O

If you follow my advice you could make what is now only a symbol of cleansing the actual event of being visited by the power of the Father and wrought upon and cleansed by the baptism of fire and of the Holy Ghost. don't you see that your own words qualify that you have not recieved the promise of the Father? And earlier words spoke of how weak and disappointing your gospel experience is.
You know enough to realize I am not added to or taking from exactly what Jesus Christ taught. 3 Nephi 11.

[_Nightlion]

Nightlion

If I send you the 10 grand you need can you guarantee my "Calling and Election Made Sure"? Would that be enough to get me a high ranking position in your church?

Just wondering because my 10 grand might be better spent on my next life since I have lost so much in my investments in this life.

Sincerely.
Pok

You cannot buy the gifts of God. I was just asking a brother in Christ for my needs. My birth brother dips into the family trust all he likes and tells me to go to hell.

I have already freely provided, and abundantly so, enough information and good advice at how to apply it for free on this board. I can tell you this, nobody will get to their Calling & Election made Sure who fails to follow my advice. Not that it has to be my specific advice that they follow, but they must do the same as what I have said.

It took me seventeen years of diligence after getting the gospel right (not the LDS way alone but the LDS/Christ way) before I heard the excellent voice of prophecy tell me three times; "Thou shalt with us partake of eternal life".

Four years later I got exed from the LDS Church.
Seventeen and a half years after that the LDS Church gets exed.
I am now a lone remnant of Zion. If there is more Zion it is scattered.
Eventually Zion might coalesce from its many parts. When there is sufficient of Zion among us then Zion shall return from above and earth will be moved and Zion shall rise up from below.

[_Paul Osborne]

If you follow my advice you could make what is now only a symbol of cleansing the actual event of being visited by the power of the Father and wrought upon and cleansed by the baptism of fire and of the Holy Ghost. don't you see that your own words qualify that you have not recieved the promise of the Father? And earlier words spoke of how weak and disappointing your gospel experience is.

I've made it clear to the Father that I will not allow him to visit me in that fashion. I will not live my mortality in this life having those blessing and having to stay here. No, I will continue to walk by faith until I'm dead. That is my choice, not God's. I can hardly believe I actually agreed to come to world and do this whole mortal thing.

I'm quite content knowing that complete fulfillment will come after my spirit leaves my body and I'm out of this world for good.

Paul O