Paul Osborne, Nightlion, and the Book of Abraham

[_mledbetter]

Should we tell this guy about the MAD board? Might be fun!

-Matt

Been there done that they will not tolerate me over there. Look up my old threads.

Aww, too bad. They aren't very patient over there.

[_Nightlion]

Aww, too bad. They aren't very patient over there.

You don't get anywhere in the LDS Church not working the staged prominence act. You can see all the Apostles choo choo through School Presidentships before the door opens. First you got to be really good at referencing all your talks to living authorites, that's a requirement. You got to stage the prominence of those ahead of you to get hooked up on the leadership choo choo train.

Its all about staged prominence. Like Peterson and his shoop shoop chicks here keeping the home fires buring for his prominent returns, providing a staged, albeit dramatically challenging, fawning of his retinue, paid staffer all I bet.

Of course I am just making this up.

[_solomarineris]

At the least, the President of the Church should provide an explanation for why he isn’t providing an explanation.
Paul O

Paul,
Don't try to insult our intelligence.
It is more reasonable to ask Gambino or Corleone stop taking
kickbacks.
The Prophet does not owe any spiritual & financial explanation to any member, outside of perimeters he defines.
Let alone you, Mr Nobody.
Members accept His Highness' conditions, it is Members who sacrifices of buying, shoes & clothing & food for their children in order to pay tithing.

I am sure you come across condescending when you ask this Q. who didn't pay a dime tithing lately.

I'm not trying to be offensive, but it is just like you coming and asking me financial records of my company. He has every right to say;
Who the hell are you.

These guys run the business so well for so long.
Why change anything?

[_Blixa]

Sorry to be dragging all this back to page one, but Paul made a statement there that's been hanging around inside my head ever since he posted it:

I have a clear conscience. I don’t fear the Day of Judgment when it is I myself that will judge me. I don’t believe the Father will judge me at all, nor will Christ. When I have a perfect knowledge of all things I will judge myself and render myself to God. I feel this reflects well my relationship with Christ.

I found this a moving and comforting thought, Paul. Pretty strange for an unbeliever, I know. Nevertheless, I thought you might like to know your words have had beneficient effect.

Now as for this Nightlion fellow. I grew up under the shadow of Mt. Olympus and spent the first half of my life in contemplation of the Precambrian quartzite of its northwest face. I've read many things etched across it; pareidolia is fascinating, especially to an imaginative child.

[_Nightlion]

Sorry to be dragging all this back to page one, but Paul made a statement there that's been hanging around inside my head ever since he posted it:

I have a clear conscience. I don’t fear the Day of Judgment when it is I myself that will judge me. I don’t believe the Father will judge me at all, nor will Christ. When I have a perfect knowledge of all things I will judge myself and render myself to God. I feel this reflects well my relationship with Christ.

I found this a moving and comforting thought, Paul. Pretty strange for an unbeliever, I know. Nevertheless, I thought you might like to know your words have had beneficient effect.

Now as for this Nightlion fellow. I grew up under the shadow of Mt. Olympus and spent the first half of my life in contemplation of the Precambrian quartzite of its northwest face. I've read many things etched across it; pareidolia is fascinating, especially to an imaginative child.

Yeah! That is why people stand in front of Masterworks of art for hours and days and try to read it. You know that there is something there and you just can't put your eyeballs on it. Then! Wow!

[_Paul Osborne]

Nightlion,

You have no power or right to assign me to the telestial kingdom. What’s wrong with you? Can’t you just state your views and beliefs without judging mankind as if you were Christ himself? You loose a great deal of credibility when you do that.

Paul O

I took for granted that you know enough scripture to realize I am correct and not just making up my own judgment.

Well, your assumption was wrong and so also is your conclusion.

Paul O

[_Nightlion]

Well, your assumption was wrong and so also is your conclusion.

Paul O

You are saying then that you do not know scripture very well? I don't want to grind it in but since you judge me wrong I will set the record in stone as it were:

Alma 5: 13-14
13. And behold, he preached the word unto your fathers, and a mighty change was also wrought in theri hearts, and they humbled themselves and put their trust in the true and living God. And behold, they were faithful until the end; therefore they were saved.
14. And now behold, I ask of you, my brethren of the CHURCH, have ye spiritually been born of God? have ye received his image in your countenances Have ye experienced this mighty change in your hearts?

Almulek tells his people that if they will repent and harden not their hearts, that immediately shall the great plan of redemption be brought about unto them. By faith they are literally calling down upon themselves their day of judgment that they might now enter the kingdom of God and be redeemed while in this life. Then he continues:

Alma 34; 32-33.
32. For behold, this life is the time for men to prepare to meet God; yea, behold the day of this life is the day for men to perform their labors.
33. And now, as I said unto you before, as ye have had so many witnesses, therefore, I beseech of you that ye do not procrastinate the day of your repentance until the end

Only those who would have recieved the gospel with all their hearts and been valiant in this life can accept it in the next and it is counted as if they got it here and they can be saved in the Celestial Kingdom.

Very few for whom temple work is performed will qualify at valiance. If you know and will not repent then you are proven and you cannot repent in the next life and have it count for valiance.

The terrestrial kingdom is for those who were blinded by the craftiness of men but were honorable men of the earth and would not recieve the testimony of Jesus in this life but afterwards did. They did not know while living but then they do get it as right as possible, still these do not qualify as valiant so temple work does them no good. You cannot partake of the terrestial kingdom because you know and you know that you know.

Therefore if you will not repent and take upon you the name of Jesus
Christ with full purpose of heart that he might heal you and concieve you his son by the fulness of the gospel covenant, even the baptism of fire and of the Holy Ghost you must be cast down to hell for you failed to recieve the gospel and failed to recieve the testimony of Jesus since you refused to come unto him with full purpose of heart in this life. Much was given and you returned nothing.

It is the default judgment because you cannot be Celestial or Terrestrial. Only those who do get it right and then reject it can partake of the second death so that would never apply to you.
See D&C 76 for details.