The Death of Evolution

[_Nightlion]

...
its time to break that unholy circle.

OK -- Then let's start with a simple "True / False" test, of a single question.


T( ) F( ) New species have come into existence since the origin of earth's early life forms.



You have a 50/50 chance of getting a perfect score.
Can you provide the correct answer?

UD

What infinite and eternal mind could know? Yours? Darwin's? Hooglebutt's?

What if God wanted a new species here? Who could prevent him?

[_Nightlion]

The fact now that evolution has become a superstition
Evolution dies or the world is again flat.
If you are not smart enough to grasp how evolution works, this is a good place to play a
"Village Idiot".

What ever comes along is where you go. Chuga chuga chuga chuga choo choo psssssssssssssssssssssstbweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeew!

Why cannot a brain arise that fundamentally alters thought away from the cherished conventions of modern man? You think Darwin did it. That would predict that it could happen and certainly must happen again. Back to God. Which must happen because God is true. Why! That would be evolution! Kababababababababa!

[_Nightlion]

Two views I've heard expressed:

1. "Eevolution [sic] says men are monkeys and God did not make us."

2. "We see how different breeds of dogs and cats can be created by
man; but you can't make a dog-cat. Only God can do that."


It appears to me that many modern Creationists cannot differentiate
evolution WITHIN species from evolution OF species.

New species have indeed arisen in our earth's past -- and many old
ones have gone extinct.

Perhaps our friend Nightlion can correct us all on that last statement.
I know that Apostle Talmadge would have agreed, (if Nightlion's
perceived apostasy of the LDS does not reach so far back in time
as Dr. Talmadge's day).

UD

LDS apostasy goes all the way back to the beginning. God is very kind and patient doing his own work on the frame of the Restoration. So long as one soul can be sanctified it is all gain. When that becomes impossible it is refuse.

I imagine to have already anwered the species thingy. Scientific controls to determine the true and actual emergence of a new species would have to comprehend the entire planet and all variables that could possibly be overlooked. None but God could be that scientist.
You don't think that power hungry egomaniacal God denyers would lie, cheat and steal truth? Do ya?

[_bcspace]

I recommend this 10 minute primer, Nightlion, before attempting to debate evolution.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vss1VKN2rf8&feature=channel_page

There is nothing about evolution that conflicts with any of the following LDS doctrines....

The existence of God
That God created the universe and man.
That man is created in God's image
Species after their own kind
Adam is the first flesh
Adam is the first man (and "primal parent of our race")
The Fall
A state of no death before the Fall
etc.

And of course we know that LDS doctrine is that there is nothing for or against evolution or creationism in and of themselves.

[_Uncle Dale]

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You don't think that power hungry egomaniacal God denyers would lie, cheat and steal truth? Do ya?

I know that I can walk into any classroom in practically any country in the
world, where higher education is being offered, and be taught something
about evolution of species. Count all those teachers, administrators,
students, and approving parents/families, and they add up to hundreds
of millions of people who take natural selection in evolution of species
very seriously. They are all lying "egomaniacal God denyers," along with
all of the supporting/confirming scientists, researchers, technicians and
writers, who accept the Scientific Method? Give me a break: I'm not that stupid!

You yourself admit that God could bring forth new species ----- what is it
that prevents God from using natural selection to accomplish such a change
over a lengthy period of time?

UD

[_karl61]

I read in the "standard works" dictionary or something like that a while back that no blood ran through the Adam's veins prior to the fall.

[_moksha]

"In the City the Mighty City
the lion sleeps tonight.
Wimoweh"
- Pete Seeger

Evolution rocks!

[_Sethbag]

Human thinking is an analog process, not a digital one. If we assume that others run the same mental programs as us, we're wrong in that. Each person's brain is trained, in hardware, to think in whatever ways they practice, from the time they're born, to the present.

Nightlion's brain is hard-wired to think this way. It would take more than you guys arguing with him on the Internet to counteract a lifetime of garbled mystical thinking implemented in the very neurons of his brain.

[_Gadianton Plumber]

I recommend this 10 minute primer, Nightlion, before attempting to debate evolution.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vss1VKN2rf8&feature=channel_page

There is nothing about evolution that conflicts with any of the following LDS doctrines....

The existence of God
That God created the universe and man.
That man is created in God's image
Species after their own kind
Adam is the first flesh
Adam is the first man (and "primal parent of our race")
The Fall
A state of no death before the Fall
etc.

And of course we know that LDS doctrine is that there is nothing for or against evolution or creationism in and of themselves.

I think a strong case could be made against these selections. I would hope there is no kettle/pot shenanigans going on here. tut tut tut

[_Nightlion]

I recommend this 10 minute primer, Nightlion, before attempting to debate evolution.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vss1VKN2rf8&feature=channel_page

There is nothing about evolution that conflicts with any of the following LDS doctrines....

The existence of God
That God created the universe and man.
That man is created in God's image
Species after their own kind
Adam is the first flesh
Adam is the first man (and "primal parent of our race")
The Fall
A state of no death before the Fall
etc.

And of course we know that LDS doctrine is that there is nothing for or against evolution or creationism in and of themselves.

The complexity of every living cell and the lack of evidence for any emerging elements that would have to continue being so robust and plentiful, confounds all reason of any possibiltiy and so proves big bang/evolution is not the source of life at all. They are still trying to make this work.

BUT THE PRIEST DID NOT MIND THAT THESE THOUGHTS WERE ACCEPTED FOR MANY YEARS. Their war is the annihilation of faith in God. So they change their dogma but retain all power of thought control.

They will not reinvent another false god until this horse is completely dead. The harbinger of that death is already present. That new god will be the Beast, 666, who will force all men to deny God and worship him. Satan will never let go of his power in this world.

The faith bomb is retained in their finesse of evolution to selective breeding, natural or artificial. They still cling to their millions and billions of years to account for what is present. This idea still kills faith in God.

You want to waltz around it blindly without allowing the facts to sink in. God and millions of years of life evolving in any way still cannot coexist.

Before the Lord placed plants and animals upon the earth it was barren without rain. During the billions of years that all things were created spiritually before they were naturally upon the face of the earth, including all the spirit-bodies of men, for all the hosts of them were finished before Adam entered the Garden, the fossil elements, bones and all, were assembled from the materials at hand.

Skimmed off the face of other worlds or off a proto-world to make a new world. Intact contenents from other spheres with all their fossils could have trucked here to compact the elements to create what we have. That was the extinction of the dinosaurs and the source of all the compacted deposits of coal and what became petroleum and natural gas. It was prepared expertly and with precision and skill as any God would in the making of a world with abundant resources to allow his children to thrive for many thousands of years. Be awed and worship God.

The raising up of Natural Law to account for all things expells the supernatural. Those who know God and have partaken of his power cannot exclude God from the smallest thing. It would be as absurd as excluding light itself.

Arrogant man dodged the bullet of truth by the aquiescence of faith to simply stop thinking even after science handed them enough sophistication and minute knowledge for a kill shot to fire back at the vile priest who deny God.

Maybe you can enlighten me on how you figure no death before the fall of man and yet accept the claim that there was natural selection going on for millions and millions of years? The fall had to occur, what, six thousand years ago?