What is a "spiritual witness?"

[_KimberlyAnn]

A spiritual witness is the old burning in the bosom, BishopRic.

Infymus called it "hot under the nipples" or something like that. Maybe it was "burn under the nipples?" Nipples aflame? At any rate, it was funny.

Spiritual witnesses are tricky things. They must be a lot like "spiritual eyes."

KA

[_BishopRic]

Conversely to that is the unshakableness of one who has been truly visited of God and wrought upon and cleansed by partaking of the baptism of fire and of the Holy Ghost which is the only true Spirit you can ever obtain. It cannot be touched by all the world's evil.

So how do you really know that what you describe here is not the same thing people of other faiths experience?

[_BishopRic]

A spiritual witness is the old burning in the bosom, BishopRic.

KA

Yeah, but when I try to get a TBM to explain the difference between this and what they feel when they see a touching movie...they get all tongue-twisted and say "you just know when it happens!"

The thing is, I think we've all experienced what they talk of...but I recognize the possibility of "you don't know what you don't know," and would love somebody to explain it if I really haven't experienced it!

[_The Nehor]

Yeah, but when I try to get a TBM to explain the difference between this and what they feel when they see a touching movie...they get all tongue-twisted and say "you just know when it happens!"

The thing is, I think we've all experienced what they talk of...but I recognize the possibility of "you don't know what you don't know," and would love somebody to explain it if I really haven't experienced it!

This is normal though. The human mind and spirit are capable of more states then the physical body is capable of responding to. For example, the physical sensation that I feel when infatuated is not physically different then one I experience while in grief. The same feeling but tied to a much different mental and spiritual state. Euphoria and spiritual communion convey the same physical sensations but the person experiencing them will tell anyone who says they're the same thing that that is damned nonsense in the same way someone who could observe my physical state in the earlier example would mislabel my infatuation as grief or even say they are one and the same.

[_BishopRic]

Yeah, but when I try to get a TBM to explain the difference between this and what they feel when they see a touching movie...they get all tongue-twisted and say "you just know when it happens!"

The thing is, I think we've all experienced what they talk of...but I recognize the possibility of "you don't know what you don't know," and would love somebody to explain it if I really haven't experienced it!

This is normal though. The human mind and spirit are capable of more states then the physical body is capable of responding to. For example, the physical sensation that I feel when infatuated is not physically different then one I experience while in grief. The same feeling but tied to a much different mental and spiritual state. Euphoria and spiritual communion convey the same physical sensations but the person experiencing them will tell anyone who says they're the same thing that that is damned nonsense in the same way someone who could observe my physical state in the earlier example would mislabel my infatuation as grief or even say they are one and the same.

Okay, but Nehor, do you claim that your spiritual witness as a Mormon is "more true" (or more powerful) than somebody's of another faith?

[_DarkHelmet]

A spiritual witness is what David Whitmer had when he said god told him to disassociate himself from the LDS church.

[_The Nehor]

Okay, but Nehor, do you claim that your spiritual witness as a Mormon is "more true" (or more powerful) than somebody's of another faith?

I have no idea. I have only my own to judge by.

This is like telling someone that their reasoning is wrong because other people who reason have reached another conclusion. They reasoned and got there so reason must be faulty if it doesn't produce the same result for everyone.

[_BishopRic]

Okay, but Nehor, do you claim that your spiritual witness as a Mormon is "more true" (or more powerful) than somebody's of another faith?

I have no idea. I have only my own to judge by.

Fair enough...and really the only answer that makes sense to me. But to me, it begs the conclusion that it may be exactly the same, and "we" are misinterpreting that it means "we" have the one and only truth.

No?

[_The Nehor]

Fair enough...and really the only answer that makes sense to me. But to me, it begs the conclusion that it may be exactly the same, and "we" are misinterpreting that it means "we" have the one and only truth.

No?

As I edited into above post how come this only applies to spiritual things? I'm a libertarian and yet others are liberals or conservatives. Do I assume that my knowledge of the rightness of what I think is false simply because others have come to other conclusions?

[_ajax18]

I still have questions about the one true Church and what does that mean exactly. But I can't deny that the spiritual realm exists. A spiritual witness is spiritual communication. We truly are eternal spirits that are in a temporary human state. But much of that world is hidden from us for the most part. And yet sometimes it seems we end up connecting with it anyway. From my limited experience, the spirit world is a much happier place than we are in now. So what good did it do me to have reconnected with this world? It gave me a view of a world so much better than the one I'm in that I couldn't help but be happier just by knowing it exists. It's truly an amazing experience. Mine was born out of tragedy. I'm not sure it's something you can force. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. I guess for now we just appreciate it if it happens, and make the best of it if it doesn't. But we'll all die some day. Once you peel away all your human self, your spirit is all that's left, hence we'll all appreciate it some day one way or another.

Some things I can find spiritual witnesses to their truth very easily. Some things I just get a blank and simply don't know.