On Human suffering

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_Inconceivable
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Re: On Human suffering

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Gazelam wrote:Inc,

I suggested that you put yourself in the place of one of Job's family that was slaughtered by this scatterbrained God.


Did God slaughter them? Or did God withdraw his protection? wasn't the situation based on God Showing Satan that people can be righteous without his influence?


When I was younger, my family owned a business where The Mob required us to pay for their benevolent offer of protection.

Interesting to note that, like the story of Job, The Mob and those they were protecting us from, knew each other on a first name basis.

What could be more ruthless than killing your family? These thugs would generally just rough you up, burgularize your business or burn it down.

10 Hast not thou made an hedge about him, and about his house, and about all that he hath on every side? thou hast blessed the work of his hands, and his substance is increased in the land.
11 But put forth thine hand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will curse thee to thy face.
12 And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD.

(Old Testament | Job 1:10 - 12)
_solomarineris
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Re: On Human suffering

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Gazalem
But, again, if He were all-powerful, He could guarantee freedom without suffering. Joseph Smith revealed that God is himself surrounded by everlasting law, eternal intelligences; hence eternal conditions, He became God by abiding these conditions. He did not create, neither can He destroy them.

Gaz,
The conditions were created by mortal Men.
Abiding Conditions? He certainly didn't 3thousand years ago. The only reason you attribute erectile dysfunction to this god is; he is
all powerless. In the age of internet, people are not gullible anymore.
No matter how hard you pray he's not coming back.
He was a nice Imagaination which served it's purpose.
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Re: On Human suffering

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solomarineris wrote:
Gazalem
But, again, if He were all-powerful, He could guarantee freedom without suffering. Joseph Smith revealed that God is himself surrounded by everlasting law, eternal intelligences; hence eternal conditions, He became God by abiding these conditions. He did not create, neither can He destroy them.

Gaz,
The conditions were created by mortal Men.
Abiding Conditions? He certainly didn't 3thousand years ago. The only reason you attribute erectile dysfunction to this god is; he is
all powerless. In the age of internet, people are not gullible anymore.
No matter how hard you pray he's not coming back.
He was a nice Imagaination which served it's purpose.


"In the age of the internet, people are not gullible anymore"
Solomarineris

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_JohnStuartMill
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Re: On Human suffering

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Nightlion wrote:
JohnStuartMill wrote:Interestingly, this argument cannot be used in conjunction with fine-tuning cosmological arguments for the existence of God. If God isn't liable for pain and suffering because the laws of the universe preclude freedom without them, then God can't be responsible for the laws of the universe.

But other than that, yeah -- Mormon theology deals with the problem of evil much better than does mainstream Christianity.


What do you imagine Jesus Christ was doing by fulfilling the will of the Father and suffer an atonement, which only and infinite and eternal being could endure, to rectify all injustice, sin, abominations, injury to innocence and the entirety of evil and suffering of his own creation?
All conflicts between health and wellness evil and righteousness are owned by God who holds sway over all the workmanship of his hands.
Who is going to accuse God foolishly seeing how he suffered in his own body and soul to balance his equation?

Glory be to the Father that he partook and overcame allowing creation to continue, being counted as slain from the foundation of the earth.
All the weight of life's evil proves that there is the justice and righteousness on the other side of the scale.

Hosanna in the Highest
Blessed be the King
That cometh in the name of the Lord.

Give it a rest, man. Jesus is dead, and he's not coming back.
"You clearly haven't read [Dawkins'] book." -Kevin Graham, 11/04/09
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