Question for EAllusion about Obama and Ayers

[_richardMdBorn]

... Yesse B. Yehudah.

Thought it was spelled Yesuah B. Yosef, but who knows with the spelling of those semitic names. However, his dealings with Rabbi Yesuah are a matter of record and are even filed in the Berlin 15th Ward office. It has been noted and will be reported to central command.

You may be joking here about Jesus, but Yesse B. Yehudah is the correct name.

As a presidential candidate, Obama has been critical of the congressional system of doling out money for pet projects. But he is no stranger to pork-barrel politics and the practice of spreading government money around his district. In Springfield he once directed state funds to a nonprofit group headed by a Republican and former ballot foe, Yesse B. Yehudah.

Yehudah barely registered a ripple of meaningful opposition, drawing only 10% of the vote in his 1998 challenge of Obama.

The following year, a nonprofit run by Yehudah, a social services organization called Fulfilling Our Responsibility Unto Mankind, began seeking state support. At the same time, Obama was considering mounting an ambitious challenge to U.S. Rep. Bobby L. Rush, a fellow Democrat.

Former foe Yehudah stepped up early to help. In November 1999, five people who worked for the Republican's nonprofit organization each gave $1,000 checks to Obama's congressional campaign committee. Yehudah makes no secret of his goal.

"We want [politicians] to know that when we sit down, we're serious," Yehudah said. "They know it when a $1,000 check comes in."

Obama lost his congressional bid. President Clinton backed incumbent Rush, who received twice as many primary votes as Obama. Obama was left with a $40,000 debt.

Later that year, Yehudah associates pitched in an additional $5,000 to help retire Obama's debt. The contributions were recorded on Oct. 7, 2000, three days after the Illinois Senate, at Obama's behest, approved a $75,000 state grant to Yehudah's nonprofit, state records show.

http://articles.latimes.com/2007/sep/08/nation/na-obamaprofile8?pg=2

This is classic small scale corruption. How many stories aired about this on the nightly news prior to the election?

[_moksha]

This is classic small scale corruption. How many stories aired about this on the nightly news prior to the election?

Even Fox News?

[_JohnStuartMill]

Thought it was spelled Yesuah B. Yosef, but who knows with the spelling of those semitic names. However, his dealings with Rabbi Yesuah are a matter of record and are even filed in the Berlin 15th Ward office. It has been noted and will be reported to central command.

You may be joking here about Jesus, but Yesse B. Yehudah is the correct name.

As a presidential candidate, Obama has been critical of the congressional system of doling out money for pet projects. But he is no stranger to pork-barrel politics and the practice of spreading government money around his district. In Springfield he once directed state funds to a nonprofit group headed by a Republican and former ballot foe, Yesse B. Yehudah.

Yehudah barely registered a ripple of meaningful opposition, drawing only 10% of the vote in his 1998 challenge of Obama.

The following year, a nonprofit run by Yehudah, a social services organization called Fulfilling Our Responsibility Unto Mankind, began seeking state support. At the same time, Obama was considering mounting an ambitious challenge to U.S. Rep. Bobby L. Rush, a fellow Democrat.

Former foe Yehudah stepped up early to help. In November 1999, five people who worked for the Republican's nonprofit organization each gave $1,000 checks to Obama's congressional campaign committee. Yehudah makes no secret of his goal.

"We want [politicians] to know that when we sit down, we're serious," Yehudah said. "They know it when a $1,000 check comes in."

Obama lost his congressional bid. President Clinton backed incumbent Rush, who received twice as many primary votes as Obama. Obama was left with a $40,000 debt.

Later that year, Yehudah associates pitched in an additional $5,000 to help retire Obama's debt. The contributions were recorded on Oct. 7, 2000, three days after the Illinois Senate, at Obama's behest, approved a $75,000 state grant to Yehudah's nonprofit, state records show.

http://articles.latimes.com/2007/sep/08/nation/na-obamaprofile8?pg=2

This is classic small scale corruption. How many stories aired about this on the nightly news prior to the election?

It's corruption if Obama wouldn't have advocated for the $75,000 grant unless Yehudah threw him some cash. Unfortunately for you, there's no indication of that missing premise.

[_Calculus Crusader]

Obama criticized Bush’s fiscal irresponsibility, and Obama’s estimated 1.9 trillion deficit shows that he takes this seriously.

You apparently live in a magical land where it doesn't cost any money to clean up financial f****d-uppery. Can I arrange a trip there with my travel agent, or do I just have to take the blue pill?

Junior here thinks that you clean up "financial f****d-uppery" by digging yourself far deeper in debt. Obama will soon hit topsoil in China, which is appropriate, since they carry most of our debt. And Richard is the one living in a fantasy land? Please.

List of economists who oppose Obama's stimulus (which belies the claims of morons Joe Biden and Bill Maher that all economists agree with Obama.)

Wait, you have an M.D.? Funny, I didn't know Liberty University had a medical school.

I am pretty sure MD stands for Maryland, junior. Incidentally, a medical degree from Liberty is worth more than a political "science" degree from UCLA.

[_richardMdBorn]

I am pretty sure MD stands for Maryland, junior. Incidentally, a medical degree from Liberty is worth more than a political "science" degree from UCLA.

You are correct. On ZLMB, I had a problem with my log in, which was under the name Richard, and added the MdBorn for Maryland Born. My degrees are an Sc.B. in mathematics from Brown University and an M.L.A. from the University of Chicago. You can decide for yourself whether these are prestigious universities.

[_JohnStuartMill]

You apparently live in a magical land where it doesn't cost any money to clean up financial f****d-uppery. Can I arrange a trip there with my travel agent, or do I just have to take the blue pill?

Junior here thinks that you clean up "financial f****d-uppery" by digging yourself far deeper in debt. Obama will soon hit topsoil in China, which is appropriate, since they carry most of our debt. And Richard is the one living in a fantasy land? Please.

Economists are divided on whether a stimulus package is a good way to jump-start the economy. Richard glossed over the reason Obama chose to spend so much money, and thereby betrayed his intent to paint an unfair picture of the situation Obama inherited.

List of economists who oppose Obama's stimulus (which belies the claims of morons Joe Biden and Bill Maher that all economists agree with Obama.)

Yeah, Biden and Maher were stupid to say that. But it's not as if Obama's stimulus does not have the support of a significant percentage of respected professional economists, or that there wasn't some the rare exigency that motivated its creation. To pretend that this is not the case is to argue in bad faith.

[_JohnStuartMill]

I am pretty sure MD stands for Maryland, junior. Incidentally, a medical degree from Liberty is worth more than a political "science" degree from UCLA.

You are correct. On ZLMB, I had a problem with my log in, which was under the name Richard, and added the MdBorn for Maryland Born. My degrees are an Sc.B. in mathematics from Brown University and an M.L.A. from the University of Chicago. You can decide for yourself whether these are prestigious universities.

They are. It's sad, though, that you don't use the same skills that earned you your degrees when you compose your posts.

By the way, I hope you realize that the fact that you possess prestigious degrees does not mean that your position is correct. That is a logical fallacy. If it were not, I could quote authorities with economic and political credentials far superior to yours and expect you to simply roll over. I don't.

[_Kevin Graham]

By the way, I hope you realize that the fact that you possess prestigious degrees does not mean that your position is correct.

Does that include Obama? I'm sick and tired of people telling me he must be a good president because he sounds intelligent, he went to Harvard, bla, bla, bla. Hell Bush went to Harvard too and look how stupid he was. Why does Obama get a free pass when it comes to his actual record? He should be held accountable for his stupidity and we shouldn't feel reticent in speaking up, for fears of being labeled racist. I gave Obama a chance and I had hoped his "plan" would have made sense, but so far it has turned out to be a cluster “F” beyond repair. Just how exactly do they plan to reduce our tremendous debt by borrowing more from China? You wouldn't know it by watching CNN, but they're actually laughing at us over there. They laughed in Geithner's face, in fact. Unemployment has reached a 25 year high, the dollar has plummeted yet again, what "jobs" he has created amount to temporary government jobs.... We've been bamboozled I'm afraid.

Seriously, I didn't relize it was even possible for the Obama apologists to try defending his record of incompetence. JSM was brave enough to admit he actually worked on his campaign, so guess there has to be some attempt to save face.

How long with they try to milk the "These problems are inherited from Bush" cop-out?

[_Brackite]

They laughed in Geithner's face, in fact. Unemployment has reached a 25 year high, the dollar has plummeted yet again, what "jobs" he has created amount to temporary government jobs.... We've been bamboozled I'm afraid.

The National unemployment rate is now at 9.4%.


Links:

http://www.sltrib.com/business/ci_12529908

http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/200 ... -jobs.html

[_JohnStuartMill]

By the way, I hope you realize that the fact that you possess prestigious degrees does not mean that your position is correct.

Does that include Obama?

Yes.

I'm sick and tired of people telling me he must be a good president because he sounds intelligent, he went to Harvard, bla, bla, bla. Hell Bush went to Harvard too and look how stupid he was. Why does Obama get a free pass when it comes to his actual record? He should be held accountable for his stupidity and we shouldn't feel reticent in speaking up, for fears of being labeled racist. I gave Obama a chance and I had hoped his "plan" would have made sense, but so far it has turned out to be a cluster f*** beyond repair. Just how exactly do they plan to reduce our tremendous debt by borrowing more from China?

The immediate goal is not to reduce debt, but to prevent a further economic downturn, which would make debt reduction even more difficult. Furthermore, most of the spending items in the stimulus package could be accurately characterized as investment in the American economy: education, infrastructure, scientific research, etc.

It's not prima facie silly to borrow as part of a strategy to pay off debt in the long run, either. That you act as if it were betrays a fundamental lack of seriousness on your part.

How long with they try to milk the "These problems are inherited from Bush" cop-out?

How long do you reckon it would take for someone you view as competent to turn the economy around and solve the budget crisis?