Correspondence between X and Dr. Daniel C. Peterson

[_ByronMarchant]

You see, Dr. Peterson, I know how they function from personal experience. I was correct in my challenge of their black priesthood denial claim when they fired me as a ward custodian in 1977. When you want to discuss that, please let me know.

I will. Don't worry.

At BYU you work for people (Mormon General Authorities) who are intellectually corrupt and dishonest. And please, please, don't tell me you work at a "University" (where there is intellectual honesty and integrity), we all know that BYU is a seminary.

Uh huh.

I'll contact you by PM, if that's all right, when I want to discuss these things with you.

Incidentally, do you know Scratch? You should really get to know him, if you don't already. A marvelous fellow. You two should spend much of each day with each other.

I see no need for communicating via PM, we can do it here or, if you prefer, do a new topic thread.

[_Dr. Shades]

I see no need for communicating via PM, we can do it here or, if you prefer, do a new topic thread.

Byron, my friend, I'm afraid you completely missed the good doctor's point.

[_Trevor]

It seems pretty hard to have a First Vision in 1820 (or Gold Plates) without there having ever existed a New Testament Jesus Christ.

Hence my second paragraph, or didn't you read that far?

I have recently communicated with Bauer's biographer Douglas Moggach:

http://www.amazon.com/Philosophy-Politi ... 0521819776

who has affirmed that there is no English Translation of the 1877 book (although some of his earlier works have been translated into English). If that is mistaken I will love to know about it.

Well, unless the title alone was translated, this looks promising:

Christ and the Caesars: The Origin of Christianity from Romanized Greek Culture
By Bruno Bauer, Frank E. Schacht
Contributor Frank E. Schacht
Published by Charleston House Pub, 1999
ISBN 0966997700, 9780966997705
359 pages

[_ByronMarchant]

It seems pretty hard to have a First Vision in 1820 (or Gold Plates) without there having ever existed a New Testament Jesus Christ.

Hence my second paragraph, or didn't you read that far?

I have recently communicated with Bauer's biographer Douglas Moggach:

http://www.amazon.com/Philosophy-Politi ... 0521819776

who has affirmed that there is no English Translation of the 1877 book (although some of his earlier works have been translated into English). If that is mistaken I will love to know about it.

Well, unless the title alone was translated, this looks promising:

Christ and the Caesars: The Origin of Christianity from Romanized Greek Culture
By Bruno Bauer, Frank E. Schacht
Contributor Frank E. Schacht
Published by Charleston House Pub, 1999
ISBN 0966997700, 9780966997705
359 pages

Thanks,

I have ordered it from ILL (InterLibrary Loan) where I live. If they can find it I will let you know.

Byron

[_ByronMarchant]

I see no need for communicating via PM, we can do it here or, if you prefer, do a new topic thread.

Byron, my friend, I'm afraid you completely missed the good doctor's point.

I thought PM meant something like "Personal Memo" and is at the bottom of these posts. I'm not interested in having any private communication with the good doctor. Maybe you can tell me what I missed?

[_Daniel Peterson]

LOL. I'm going to try to bow out of this thread, lest I be accused (as I commonly am) of attempting to make it about me.

[_silentkid]

And please, please, don't tell me you work at a "University" (where there is intellectual honesty and integrity), we all know that BYU is a seminary.

Absolutely ridiculous. I have two degrees from BYU, both of which I will hold up against similar degrees obtained from any other university. I am currently employed in the biotech industry doing cutting edge genetic research. Your claim that BYU is a seminary is completely unfounded and offensive. Look, I'm a critic of the church's truth claims too. I'm also a critic of LDS apologetics. When you make statements like the one I quoted above, you lose credibility.

[_ByronMarchant]

And please, please, don't tell me you work at a "University" (where there is intellectual honesty and integrity), we all know that BYU is a seminary.

Absolutely ridiculous. I have two degrees from BYU, both of which I will hold up against similar degrees obtained from any other university. I am currently employed in the biotech industry doing cutting edge genetic research. Your claim that BYU is a seminary is completely unfounded and offensive. Look, I'm a critic of the church's truth claims too. I'm also a critic of LDS apologetics. When you make statements like the one I quoted above, you lose credibility.

My claim is intended to be offensive. If it was not true, it would not be offensive.

[_silentkid]

My claim is intended to be offensive. If it was not true, it would not be offensive.

Are you serious? Your claim is offensive because you are misrepresenting the education of numerous posters on this board who have attended BYU. If you want to continue your blatant misrepresentation, carry on. Just understand that your credibility on any issue is now suspect. If that works for you, so be it.

[_ByronMarchant]

My claim is intended to be offensive. If it was not true, it would not be offensive.

Are you serious? Your claim is offensive because you are misrepresenting the education of numerous posters on this board who have attended BYU. If you want to continue your blatant misrepresentation, carry on. Just understand that your credibility on any issue is now suspect. If that works for you, so be it.

The question is, are you serious? Have you never been told by anyone who attended BYU or taught there that BYU is a seminary? You live a sheltered life.

Did you ever have a professor who, because he or she spoke out, lost a teaching job at BYU? My goodness, the censorship happens at the U of U (because the Utah Legislature is almost all LDS), let alone BYU.

By the way, silentkid, what is your real name?