William Schryver wrote:All these years, and your neo-feminist persecution complex is still stoking your resentments.
What evidence do you have that beastie has a "neo-feminist persecution complex?"
They just thought you were snarly eunuch bait with a run amok case of penis envy.
What evidence do you have that causes you to assume this?
"Finally, for your rather strange idea that miracles are somehow linked to the amount of gay sexual gratification that is taking place would require that primitive Christianity was launched by gay sex, would it not?"
William Schryver wrote:All these years, and your neo-feminist persecution complex is still stoking your resentments.
What evidence do you have that beastie has a "neo-feminist persecution complex?"
They just thought you were snarly eunuch bait with a run amok case of penis envy.
What evidence do you have that causes you to assume this?
Will's problem is he's never had the opportunity to meet Trixie in person. He's suffering from a form of penis envy himself...
(Nevo, Jan 23) And the Melchizedek Priesthood may not have been restored until the summer of 1830, several months after the organization of the Church.
why me wrote:See the link that I posted for Miss Taken. It is pretty clear cut that you guys that are criticizing Joseph don't know much about early america.
I fail to see where your claim substantiated that 16 year olds were "more mature" in early America. The article says that most adolescent girls were "sexually mature", but usually did not marry until age 20. Adolescent girls today are also sexually mature, and the age of consent is 16 (where I am). Very few marry at that age. Sexual maturity doesn't mean an adolescent is ready for marriage, much less plural marriage!
The critic argument goes as follows: poor fanny, a young girl was seduced by a older man who had the sexual appetite of a chimp. Poor fanny was taken advantage of. The reason for polygamy was to cover up the adultery. Such is the critic argument.
But as the article states, young women were sexually active before they got married. And this means that we cannot discount that fanny wanted some action and seduced joseph. Maybe she was hot.
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith
why me wrote:See the link that I posted for Miss Taken. It is pretty clear cut that you guys that are criticizing Joseph don't know much about early america.
Now I do believe that everything was on the up and up and fanny was not a slut. But if I take the critic point of view, then I would also need to consider the role of fanny in the seduction. Why must critics view her as a hapless young women who was seduced by Joe?
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I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith
why me wrote:See the link that I posted for Miss Taken. It is pretty clear cut that you guys that are criticizing Joseph don't know much about early america.
I fail to see where your claim substantiated that 16 year olds were "more mature" in early America. The article says that most adolescent girls were "sexually mature", but usually did not marry until age 20. Adolescent girls today are also sexually mature, and the age of consent is 16 (where I am). Very few marry at that age. Sexual maturity doesn't mean an adolescent is ready for marriage, much less plural marriage!
You know ray, the critics cannot have it their way. If they argue that Joseph had an affair and started polygamy because he was caught, they should not overlook that fanny could have seduced him.
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith
why me wrote:You know ray, the critics cannot have it their way. If they argue that Joseph had an affair and started polygamy because he was caught, they should not overlook that fanny could have seduced him.
And what if a "good sort" had tried to seduce Jesus Christ? What would he say, "Oh, you're just irresistible!"?
The early 19th century is not known for its loose women. And if a single 18-ish year old girl got involved with a 30-ish year old married man, it's crystal clear which would bear the brunt of the responsibility.
Don
Does the article I linked take that position? It seems that premarital sex was a problem in the early 19th century. And the article does demonstrate that young women sexually matured rather young. Young women had the itch too and needed it scratched. (no pun on our good doctor scratch). Why do critics discount fanny's role in seduction.
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith
why me wrote:You know ray, the critics cannot have it their way. If they argue that Joseph had an affair and started polygamy because he was caught, they should not overlook that fanny could have seduced him.
And what if a "good sort" had tried to seduce Jesus Christ? What would he say, "Oh, you're just irresistible!"?
Now ray I am taking the view of a critic here. But what we know of Jesus is rather scant. Being man, he would obviously have a sexual desire, if he was experiencing human life. I am sure that there was more to Christ's life than what we have in the Bible.
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith
The early 19th century is not known for its loose women. And if a single 18-ish year old girl got involved with a 30-ish year old married man, it's crystal clear which would bear the brunt of the responsibility.
Don
Does the article I linked take that position? It seems that premarital sex was a problem in the early 19th century. And the article does demonstrate that young women sexually matured rather young. Young women had the itch too and needed it scratched. (no pun on our good doctor scratch). Why do critics discount fanny's role in seduction.
Because Joseph was 30 and married, and Fanny was 16 and a member of his household? Honorable men do not give in to temptation, do not step outside their marriage vows, do not give in to lust, no matter what.
(Nevo, Jan 23) And the Melchizedek Priesthood may not have been restored until the summer of 1830, several months after the organization of the Church.