Mormonism and the Trinity

[_Daniel Peterson]

Will you all be defending your respective scriptures from just Shermer, or from one another as well?

I don't really know what to expect.

Also, I see that whoever wrote this description differentiated between Mormon and Christian. Did you set them straight?

I noticed that, too. I'll probably say something in Vegas. (Which, being interpreted for Joey, means "in Provo.")

[_Joey]

It was a clinical, scientific observation.

Incidentally, I'm speaking on the Book of Mormon at a meeting of libertarians in Las Vegas early next month. You're welcome to attend. Like everything else I do, it's in Provo, of course, and before an entirely Mormon audience:

Hear a Rabbi, a Christian, a Muslim, a Sikh and a Mormon defend their sacred scriptures, and debate the role of religion in a no-holds-barred roundtable with Michael Shermer, editor of Skeptic magazine and Scientific American.

http://www.freedomfest.com/home.htm

Las Vegas??? But of course, the bedrock and think tank of theologial and religious study. I take it all back. You are moving up!! Can one still get room there for that nite now that you've announced your tour stop?!?!?!! May have to use a chit with "Steve" that nite!

by the way, last I drove I-15, Vegas is the first stop south of Provo that isn't a four gas station hamlet - right?

Only in Provo baby (or first exit south)!!

Impressive!

[_Joey]

by the way, if Peterson targets an audience for his religious presentations in Las Vegas I'm guessing Clark and Sorenson are probably targeting a Hollywood audience for their Book of Mormon historicity works!

Harrison Ford stars in "Trapping a Tapir". Black tie invite for the premier at the Olivewood Bookstore.

Its all coming together folks - Only in Provo!

[_Daniel Peterson]

Joey, even from Dogpatch you can look at the program when and if you git the generators up an' runnin'. It's on the Internet. You can gauge for yourself (that is, if you're capable of the intellectual effort) whether or not those on the overall program are serious, reputable thinkers and people of accomplishment.

Perhaps you can come and dance your victory jig and sneer for them. I'll bet they would enjoy that.

By the way, Joey, if you're in Orlando, Florida, on 19 July, I'm going to be the keynote speaker at a conference on Muhammad sponsored by the Islamic Society of Orlando. You're welcome to attend. (That's in Provo, of course, and you would be the only non-Mormon there.) They might get a kick out of the jig-and-sneer show, too!

[_JohnStuartMill]

On further reflection, I'm curious as to in what sense you consider yourself a libertarian, Dan. I assume you don't favor further legalization of drugs or prostitution; I've never heard you say that governments can't pass laws against homosexuality... on what issues do you agree with the libertarians in ways that standard conservatives don't?

[_Roger Morrison]

Dan/Joey, (alphabetically) the banter between you two has me curious... Is it in good nature, or mean spirited? What are its roots? Has Joey an a.k.a.? As MDB is international the parochialism misses many--well at least me--outside of the mid-west-mountain area...

by the way Dan, your speaking engagements sound impressive. Ever do time in the Toronto, Canada area? Or you, Joey? Dan, I too am curious as well by you relating to Liberatians; seems a big step from LDSism??? Or were you being facetious
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[_Daniel Peterson]

On further reflection, I'm curious as to in what sense you consider yourself a libertarian, Dan. I assume you don't favor further legalization of drugs or prostitution; I've never heard you say that governments can't pass laws against homosexuality...

I don't recall having ever posted on anything really related to those topics.

I'm certainly an economic libertarian -- and a federalist. I dislike government intervention in the economy. I seriously thought, at one point, of doing a Ph.D. in economics; I read extensively in F. A. von Hayek, Ludwig von Mises, Milton Friedman, etc., and still consider myself a "disciple" of theirs.

As to drugs and prostitution, I don't think about their legal status much, but I'm open and even somewhat sympathetic to the case for legalization. I don't believe in laws "against homosexuality."

on what issues do you agree with the libertarians in ways that standard conservatives don't?

I'm considerably more libertarian on economic issues than many of the conservatives I know.

But I don't claim to be a pure libertarian. That's the reason I've never joined the Libertarian Party (although I've considered it). I'm not comfortable with some common libertarian notions about foreign policy and defense policy, for example. (I remember a late-night discussion with the late libertarian guru Murray Rothbard, from many years ago. I thought his proposals on defense were amusing, but nuts.) And I'm not comfortable when, on social and moral issues, proposals for libertarian policy reform go beyond politics to actually endorsing (or seeming to endorse) things that I would permit but that I regard as substantively wrong. This does happen occasionally.

Dan/Joey, (alphabetically) the banter between you two has me curious... Is it in good nature, or mean spirited?

I've never seen anything from Joey that would suggest to me that he's posting his comments about me in a "good natured" way.

What are its roots?

I don't know why he's so personally hostile. I'm responding to his continual sneering. It's grown tiresome.

Ever do time in the Toronto, Canada area?

I've spoken at a couple of academic conferences up there, and given a small number of firesides in Toronto, Hamilton, etc. But I haven't been there for at least three years now. Maybe longer.