Eric.

[_beastie]

Good bishops keep confidences.

I aspire to be a good bishop.

Good bishops don't go around letting people know that there is some "other side", ie, dark information about people to which they are privvy.

Do you do this in real life like you do on the internet?

[_Daniel Peterson]

Good bishops, like everybody else with at least an ounce of minimal common sense -- there are, I know for a fact, at least a few of them even on this message board -- know that there are always at least two sides to any contentious problem of human relations, and, like every other fair person, good bishops will not take sides or reach verdicts until they have a reasonably good understanding of what the different sides in a contentious problem of human relations have to say.

Yes, I would say the same thing in real life as I've said here. In fact, I do. Regularly. It may be obvious, but people very commonly forget the obvious.

[_beastie]

Good bishops, like everybody else with at least an ounce of minimal common sense -- there are, I know for a fact, at least a few of them even on this message board -- know that there are always at least two sides to any contentious problem of human relations, and, like every other fair person, good bishops will not take sides or reach verdicts until they have a reasonably good understanding of what the different sides in a contentious problem of human relations have to say.

Yes, I would say the same thing in real life as I've said here. In fact, I do. Regularly. It may be obvious, but people very commonly forget the obvious.

You didn't answer my question. My question had nothing to do with recognizing there are two sides to questions.

On the internet, you have repeatedly insinuated to posters that you know some dark information about person X. You can't reveal that dark information due to confidentiality, but you know it, and want posters to know you know something dark about person X.

Do you do this in real life as well?

[_moksha]

If my parents were still alive and were active orthodox Mormons, who were informed as to what I was writing, I hope they would have a sense of humor about my writings or at least a sense of the absurd about being so informed.

[_Jersey Girl]

I am SO SICK of Daniel Peterson.

No offense intended, Daniel.

[_truth dancer]

For the record...

There is NOTHING from the "other side" that justifies "kidnapping" a child such as Eric, taking him or her away from the child's family and placing the child in an institution in another state for years on end, to be raised in a facility such as the one in which Eric was raised. NOTHING.

I feel quite certain Eric's mother would agree. I would bet a cup of tea she wishes Eric had not been placed in an institution for all those years.

That said, many of us DID "hear" the "other side" in an email written by Eric's stepfather, shared on this very forum by Dan.

~td~

[_Pokatator]

I am SO SICK of Daniel Peterson.

No offense intended, Daniel.

Ditto for me too, Jersey Girl.

Bishop Dan can't help himself if he gets what he perceives as smut on someone.

Being a "good bishop" to Bishop Dan is finding out in a TRI whether you masturbate and what sexual position you prefer.

The church is full of Bishop Dan's. I have met many that are as prideful and boasting as Dan.

Good bishops keep confidences.

I aspire to be a good bishop.

But in reality they are just gossiping snitches and more.

[_harmony]

I think the "other side" Daniel's referring to is the parents' side. So all this discussion about Daniel, as if he was referring to himself when he says the "other side" is misplaced.

And none of us knows enough about any of this to make a judgment about the situation (sorry, TD, but I can think of at least a few instances where sending a teenager away from home is not only justified, but essential to the health and welfare of not only the teenager involved but others in the home as well).

[_truth dancer]

And none of us knows enough about any of this to make a judgment about the situation (sorry, TD, but I can think of at least a few instances where sending a teenager away from home is not only justified, but essential to the health and welfare of not only the teenager involved but others in the home as well).

Hey Harmony,

I can think of many instances when it may be helpful to send a child away from home for a time.

I am talking about children "like Eric," and an institution like the one in which he was raised, and being taken away from family for years on end to be raised in an institution far from home.

As I have stated on other threads, there are times when a child is a danger to him/herself and or others and needs some serious help for a time; a child may need intense help with a mental illness during a crisis, or a child may need to leave a particular family or environment for a time. I'm not talking about these sorts of situations. Nor am I talking about being temporarily in a group home, a foster home, or even a facility for a short time.

I'm specifically referring to a child like Eric (based on the website describing children who are brought into the custody/guardianship of the particular institution in which he was raised), and the need to take children out of state away from family to be raised in an institution for years on end.

I see absolutely no reason this is justified, ever.

I can't think of any "other side" information that would convince me otherwise.

I think we do have a sense of what sorts of issues were going on. The website is extremely clear about the types of children it accepts into their institution, so we have an idea of what types of issue Eric's stepfather and mother claim they were dealing with. Clearly he was not a sex offender, had no history of physical violence, anti-social or conduct disorder. They take, "soft to moderate" emotional and behavioral problems.

Again, kidnapping a child and keeping them away from their family for years on end is completely inappropriate for "soft to moderate" behavioral issues.

I'm repeating myself so will bow out of this conversation.


~td~

[_Pokatator]

My opinion, which is worth nothing, is that we have situation where a father, actually a step-father, is unwilling to take the time and effort to raise a child. It somehow became easier to pay out money and farm the work of parenting out, put the situation out of sight and out of mind, put it "on ice" so to speak.

It happens far to often in my view.