Sparing Women the Demands of the Priesthood

[_asbestosman]

Women, in all likelihood, could do no worse than Mormon males in the role of ward counselor, Bishop, or what have you.

I don't know anyone who disagrees, but it's not up to me, or Daniel Peterson or anyone else on this board.

As an added bonus, sexual abuse would most likely disappear if women were to be in positions of trust and confidence.

Because sexual abuse has disappeared from our public school system what with all the women in positions of trust and confidence there, right?

[_asbestosman]

You know, they'd probably be a lot better.

For instance, I know I'd be way more willing to tell a woman I masturbate than a man... course, that might be because if a man asks, I'm thinking, "You already know the answer, dumbass. What man doesn't choke the chicken at least occasionally? Who are you trying to kid, asking such a stupid question?"

Well, as long as we're playing with gender stereotypes, I'll play with the un-PC gender stereotype of women as gossipers. Who do you think I'd talk to in that case?

Gender stereotypes are stupid just as it's foolish to say that women are more spiritual than men and have motherhood so therefore don't need the priesthood.

Gender stereotypes aside, I always felt more comfortable talking to my father about a variety of issues, and not because my mother gossipped (she did not). I simply found that my father could more easily see things from my perspective. Using that, I would suppose that many women might find another woman to be easier to communicate with. Or maybe it's not even a gender thing at all--my wife found it easier to talk with her father as well.

[_Morrissey]

Women, in all likelihood, could do no worse than Mormon males in the role of ward counselor, Bishop, or what have you.

I don't know anyone who disagrees, but it's not up to me, or Daniel Peterson or anyone else on this board.

As an added bonus, sexual abuse would most likely disappear if women were to be in positions of trust and confidence.

Because sexual abuse has disappeared from our public school system what with all the women in positions of trust and confidence there, right?

By which, I infer, you mean it is 'up to God.'

Ok, for those of you posting or lurking here who presume to know the will and mind of God on other issues, perhaps you could help. What's God's hangup with women in positions of authority and/or as ministers?

[_asbestosman]

What's God's hangup with women in positions of authority and/or as ministers?

I don't think God has hangups. I don't know of any inherent reason that women cannot be ministers or hold the priesthood. I wouldn't be surprised if God revealed that they should nor would I be surprised if He does not.

[_Some Schmo]

Gender stereotypes are stupid...

Of course they are. All stereotypes are stupid... (wait, did I just stereotype stereotypes?)

I would have thought from the post it was easy to tell I was joking. Perhaps not.

[_The Nehor]

Veil your face, Nehor. It is a manmade symbol of your unworthiness to stand on your own. Until you're required to do that, you have nothing to say, because nothing you say can justify that kind of blanket condemnation.

I've been engaged twice and both times I was EXPECTED to kneel before them showing my unworthiness in their presence. The humiliation....the condescension.....all of it.....almost more then I can bear. Until you're required to kneel to your spouse I think you have nothing to say.

[_Morrissey]

What's God's hangup with women in positions of authority and/or as ministers?

I don't think God has hangups. I don't know of any inherent reason that women cannot be ministers or hold the priesthood. I wouldn't be surprised if God revealed that they should nor would I be surprised if He does not.

Oh, I'd say that God has hungups allright--in particular, he seems to have a real hangup about sex. But that's another topic for another day.

Why do you think God has not bothered to explain why women cannot be ministers or hold the priesthood? I mean, wouldn't this be a reasonable thing to do? Particularly, if I were a woman, I'd want to know why men get opportunities I don't. Surely, it wouldn't inconvenience God too much to share this bit of information, would it? Don't women have a reasonable right to expect an explanation? Or is God above that sort of thing?

[_The Nehor]

Nehor -

I want to be clear on your position before replying. Is it your position that men do more work in the church than women do?

by the way, the OP used the word "cool" to describe priesthood activities. Since, in my experience, women work as hard in the church as men do, the "cool" thing she was probably referring to were sacred ordinances - the one thing women cannot do in the church. I think it would be pretty cool to be able to bless your baby or baptize your child as a believer.

Nope, I have no idea which gender does more work then the other. I don't particularly care. To score a gender by how much they get done is to generalize and stereotype. To boast about a gender doing more is inane. I'm pointing out the inanity. I will say that I think Bishop is quite possibly the hardest calling in the Church with the possible exception of Apostle but I don't know any Apostles well enough to make the judgment.

[_The Nehor]

Oh, I'd say that God has hungups allright--in particular, he seems to have a real hangup about sex. But that's another topic for another day.

Uhhh...okay.

Why do you think God has not bothered to explain why women cannot be ministers or hold the priesthood?

He doesn't want to.

I mean, wouldn't this be a reasonable thing to do?

For any fallible being making policy yes. For the Almighty, he can do what he likes and doesn't owe us an explanation.

Particularly, if I were a woman, I'd want to know why men get opportunities I don't.

If our every want was God's command, he would have a very, very rough time doing his job.

Surely, it wouldn't inconvenience God too much to share this bit of information, would it?

None at all but this makes assumptions that the reason is comprehensible to us, easy to digest, and wouldn't offend many women.

Don't women have a reasonable right to expect an explanation?

Nope. God by virtue of who he is expects to be obeyed. He does not have to explain himself and probably couldn't explain his actions to us in a way little fools like us can understand in any case.

Or is God above that sort of thing?

It's more likely we're below it.

[Tator]

Nope, I have no idea which gender does more work then the other. I don't particularly care. To score a gender by how much they get done is to generalize and stereotype. To boast about a gender doing more is inane. I'm pointing out the inanity. I will say that I think Bishop is quite possibly the hardest calling in the Church with the possible exception of Apostle but I don't know any Apostles well enough to make the judgment.

I was simply following up on DCP's train of thought. He insinuated that part of the burden of the priesthood was all the church work associated with callings in the priesthood.

If, in reality, the amount of work males and females do in the church is roughly equivalent - which I think is likely - then focusing on the amount of work associated with the priesthood makes no sense as a response to a woman who would like to be able to do the "cool things" available to the priesthood.

And that is why, of course, I, in turn, focused on the performance of sacred ordinances as the real difference between males and females in the LDS church.