Mopologetics and the Sending of Emails

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Re: Mopologetics and the Sending of Emails

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Ray A wrote:
Daniel Peterson wrote:Whatever, Ray.


As far as "aplolgetics" is concerned, you're a lost cause. And as for your "belief in Christ", your treatment of Eric disgusts me. You have no idea how much. You will do anything to protect your stupid Chruch, and demonise anyone who dares to differ. So like Joseph Smith, blackening the characters of the women HE seduced.

I only hope your other admirers see through your utter pretense. Eventually.


I don't know Danny, but I think being a jibbering, juvenile buffoon would be looking pretty good from where you seem to be standing amongst your board peers here these days!!
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Daniel Peterson wrote:We discussed the historical and doctrinal issues that he raised. He came to the meeting voluntarily. He raised the issues he wanted to raise. He stayed as long as he cared to stay. He left when he chose to leave.

I wasn't asked to judge his relationship with his wife or his children or his parents. I wasn't asked to judge him at all. I was asked to discuss with him the issues he wanted to raise, and I did so. It was a friendly discussion. There were no ill feelings.


You were called in because he was allegedly having problems with his TBM family. So, let's all repeat the mantra: Nobody here needs to choose sides in a private family matter. Nobody here knows enough to do so. Hearing only one side is not enough.
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beastie wrote:I thought of something similar, but with a hypothetical example.

Let’s pretend that a recent LDS convert participates on a board for LDS and nonbelievers – a board like this one. The convert comes from a fundamentalist EV family, who has reacted harshly to his conversion to Mormonism. In fact, his family thinks he’s been influenced by Satan. Let’s also pretend that his step-father, with whom he has had a problematic relationship in the past, sent out a mass email to his family regarding his daughter’s serious illness. In the email, he’s expressed his certitude that she was cured by the power of faith, because he made a phone call to a televangelist’s phone bank, made a contribution, and asked them to pray for his daughter. In response, they sent him a small prayer cloth with special healing powers that he put under her pillow. In the email, the step-father was quite effusive in expressing his certitude of faith in this particular process.

Now let’s pretend that the now-LDS step-son found this ridiculous, and also felt that the email may have been targeted him in particular. In a moment, taken by the emotional need to vent, the step-son shared a portion of the email on the LDS group and made mocking statements about the belief that a televangelist’s prayer cloth could have healed his sister.

Now let’s pretend that there is another EV member of the board who is acquainted with the convert’s family, and emailed a link to the step-father. And, of course, it caused conflict and more problems.

Would the LDS on the board believe that the EV’s actions were appropriate? Or would they think that it could have been handled differently, and that perhaps part of the EV’s motive was to cause trouble for the LDS convert. Would the LDS think that it could have been better handled privately, or without involving the family? Would there really be a compelling “need” for the EV family to know this information?


This analogy is perfectly apt except along the most important dimension: the Mormon Church is true, while evangelical churches are not, so it's perfectly reasonable to treat apostates from Mormonism different from apostates to man-made religions.

(I wonder how many LDS privately think this.)
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JSM wrote:

This analogy is perfectly apt except along the most important dimension: the Mormon Church is true, while evangelical churches are not, so it's perfectly reasonable to treat apostates from Mormonism different from apostates to man-made religions.

(I wonder how many LDS privately think this.)


In my estimation, it would be a lot of them privately think this.

How many will admit it? That is another story in itself.
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gramps wrote:JSM wrote:

This analogy is perfectly apt except along the most important dimension: the Mormon Church is true, while evangelical churches are not, so it's perfectly reasonable to treat apostates from Mormonism different from apostates to man-made religions.

(I wonder how many LDS privately think this.)


In my estimation, it would be a lot of them privately think this.

How many will admit it? That is another story in itself.

I'll freely admit it. In my judgment, apostates from Mormonism are a distinct breed, and share very little in common with apostates from any other religious "tribe."
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William The Contentious wrote:I'll freely admit it. In my judgment, apostates from Mormonism are a distinct breed, and share very little in common with apostates from any other religious "tribe."


And how would that be?
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Ray A wrote:
William The Contentious wrote:I'll freely admit it. In my judgment, apostates from Mormonism are a distinct breed, and share very little in common with apostates from any other religious "tribe."


And how would that be?

Well, in the case of many, they are laboring under the burden of a sore cursing. :lol:
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No, that's just a tan.
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JohnStuartMill wrote:No, that's just a tan.

I never knew one could "tan" a countenance. Or artificially darken the light in one's eyes.
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Re: Mopologetics and the Sending of Emails

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That explains why the leaders of the Mormon Church were inspired to exclude people with dark "countenances" --not dark skin-- from its temples in the 1950s, I'm guessing?
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