Question re: 4th July

[_Joey]

It's been almost 20 years since living there but is the 24th of July still more celebrated in Utah than the 4th??

[_William Schryver]

It's been almost 20 years since living there but is the 24th of July still more celebrated in Utah than the 4th??

That's right. All we do on the 4th of July is burn American flags and secretly plot to avenge the death of Joseph Smith upon the wicked leaders of this wicked country.

One day soon we'll get our man in the White House, and then you'll find out what terror really means. There will be a Danite enforcer in every neighborhood, and all the beer sold in the country will be limited to 3.2% alcohol content by volume.

[_Dr. Shades]

There will be a Danite enforcer in every neighborhood, . . .

What do Danite enforcers do, Will?

[_Yoda]

I moved from Utah to NC in 1993....but when I lived in Utah, the celebrations between July 4th and July 24th were pretty even. Both events were pretty big....parades, fireworks, etc.

My kids thought it was kind of cool that there were two holidays in July where you got to shoot off fireworks.

[_Yoda]

Oh...this comment is for Jersey Girl....At the moment, I am typing on my laptop from the comfort of my 5 Star hotel overlooking Wrightsville Beach. I can see them shooting off fireworks from my window, which overlooks the harbor.

*sigh* Too bad we go home Sunday. It's been a nice week.

[_Jersey Girl]

Oh...this comment is for Jersey Girl....At the moment, I am typing on my laptop from the comfort of my 5 Star hotel overlooking Wrightsville Beach. I can see them shooting off fireworks from my window, which overlooks the harbor.

*sigh* Too bad we go home Sunday. It's been a nice week.

Oh. Now yer just ASKIN' for it!


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[_Joey]

Well I'm actually up here at my place in Park City this weekend. Absolutely gorgeous today, and while I don't spend much time in Provo, I do enjoy Utah. Specially the golf, ski and biking. And now that the liquor laws have changed..... I actually preferred the old laws from the 80s when you could brown bag it for just a corkage fee. Made a great bottle of Opus a lot cheaper for dinner!!!

Anyway, did not mean to offend the zealots like WS, but it was very clear, when I lived here full time in my earlier years, the "days of 47" were a lot bigger event than the 4th. I suspect as with most in Mormonism that the internet has had an impact on that as well.

But ya'll got some great golf courses up here. Actually went down the hill and played Salt Lake Country Club today with a friend of mine from Zion's Bank. Had no idea that so many prominent church authorities were members there. And it still served liquor!!!

Have a bang tonight!

[_Daniel Peterson]

I'm not a native Utahn, but I don't recall ever noticing that the 24 July celebration was bigger than the 4 July celebration. If anything, it's always seemed a bit smaller to me.

The Stadium of Fire celebration at the BYU football stadium on Independence Day, to say nothing of the overall Freedom Festival of which it's a part, is certainly bigger than anything that Utah Valley does for Pioneer Day.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stadium_of_Fire

http://www.freedomfestival.org/public/stadium

[_Joey]

I'm not a native Utahn, but I don't recall ever noticing that the 24 July celebration was bigger than the 4 July celebration. If anything, it's always seemed a bit smaller to me.

The Stadium of Fire celebration at the BYU football stadium on Independence Day, to say nothing of the overall Freedom Festival of which it's a part, is certainly bigger than anything that Utah Valley does for Pioneer Day.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stadium_of_Fire

http://www.freedomfestival.org/public/stadium

Well its great to see the state of Utah finally came around to recognizing america's greatness. It took them a long time to respect Martin Luther King and womens rights. Recognizing the country's independence over "this is the place" was probably inevitable as well again with a little public pressure. Always seems to move the prophet!

[_Daniel Peterson]

Well its great to see the state of Utah finally came around to recognizing america's greatness.

You're seriously trying to suggest that, say, David O. McKay (d. 1970) and Ezra Taft Benson (d. 1994) weren't patriotic Americans?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 5747711503

Do you know anything about them at all?

What evidence do you have to demonstrate that Utahns, within living memory, have (compared to citizens of other states) failed to recognize "America's greatness"?

Excepting a few two-to-six-month-long sojourns elsewhere, I've lived in Utah pretty much since the fall of 1985, and, prior to that, except for summers, from 1970-1972 and from 1974-1977. Utah has always been seen, during this period, as conservative, Republican, and, if anything, hyper-patriotic.

It took them a long time to respect Martin Luther King and womens rights.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%27s_suffrage_in_Utah

Women received the right to vote in Utah in 1870. The Nineteenth Amendment granted them the right to vote nationally in 1920.

Recognizing the country's independence over "this is the place" was probably inevitable as well again with a little public pressure. Always seems to move the prophet!

What "pressure"?

What change?