LDS man beats daughter who refuses to attend Church ....

[_Eric]

At least he didn't send her to West Ridge Academy.

[_harmony]

At least he didn't send her to West Ridge Academy.

No, she just got her head cracked open with a piece on concrete and her face beat in. You're right; she got off easy.

[_Yoda]

At least he didn't send her to West Ridge Academy.

Those who abused you at Westridge should also be singing soprano for life.

Child abuse is the ultimate ugliness in the world. I don't understand how anyone could do it, and I have no sympathy for offenders.

[_Rollo Tomasi]

It's the antiMormon's religious pornography. "Oh look! Some Mormon is doing some really bad stuff." ...as if that is what one should expect because it's a Mormon doing it.

Unfortunately, the "all or nothing" style of Mormonism can attract wackos like this. Another example of abuse, in my opinion, is the article published in the most recent issue of the Ensign: a single mother wrote she would rather starve her children than not pay tithing.

[_Morrissey]

That guy obviously just has problems in general - had an inability to understand "whacking someone on the head is unacceptable". He'd be a comic character if he weren't so dangerous.

It's the antiMormon's religious pornography. "Oh look! Some Mormon is doing some really bad stuff." ...as if that is what one should expect because it's a Mormon doing it.

How perceptive. The responses to this OP clearly prove your point.

Granted, you'll find a lot of this kind of idiocy over at RfM (that, and Steve Benson, being among the reasons I grew out of RfM years ago).

[_sethpayne]

See link below for full story. This guy gives a whole new meaning to the phrase "unrighteous dominion." Yikes!

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/artic ... d=10583411

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Wow.... so Pahoran finally made the news....

[_Morrissey]

It's the antiMormon's religious pornography. "Oh look! Some Mormon is doing some really bad stuff." ...as if that is what one should expect because it's a Mormon doing it.

Unfortunately, the "all or nothing" style of Mormonism can attract wackos like this. Another example of abuse, in my opinion, is the article published in the most recent issue of the Ensign: a single mother wrote she would rather starve her children than not pay tithing.

Wow, Pravda . . . er, the Ensign, actually published this???

And people wonder why some might consider LDS Inc. a cult???

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Hello All,

I must admit I am feeling a bit peckish today. I was curious what a cursory search using www.bing.com might reveal reference the Quran and Women. Behold, more propaganda:

10. A husband has sex with his wife, as a plow goes into a field.

The Quran in Sura (Chapter) 2:223 says:

Your women are your fields, so go into your fields whichever way you like . . . . (MAS Abdel Haleem, The Qur’an, Oxford UP, 2004)

9. Husbands are a degree above their wives.

The Quran in Sura 2:228 says:

. . . Wives have the same rights as the husbands have on them in accordance with the generally known principles. Of course, men are a degree above them in status . . . (Sayyid Abul A’La Maududi, The Meaning of the Qur’an, vol. 1, p. 165)

8. A male gets a double share of the inheritance over that of a female.

The Quran in Sura 4:11 says:

The share of the male shall be twice that of a female . . . . (Maududi, vol. 1, p. 311)

7. A woman’s testimony counts half of a man’s testimony.

The Quran in Sura 2:282 says:

And let two men from among you bear witness to all such documents [contracts of loans without interest]. But if two men be not available, there should be one man and two women to bear witness so that if one of the women forgets (anything), the other may remind her. (Maududi, vol. 1, p. 205).

6. A wife may remarry her ex—husband if and only if she marries another man and then this second man divorces her.

The Quran in Sura 2:230 says:

And if the husband divorces his wife (for the third time), she shall not remain his lawful wife after this (absolute) divorce, unless she marries another husband and the second husband divorces her. [In that case] there is no harm if they [the first couple] remarry . . . . (Maududi, vol. 1, p. 165)

5. Slave—girls are sexual property for their male owners.

The Quran in Sura 4:24 says:

And forbidden to you are wedded wives of other people except those who have fallen in your hands [as prisoners of war] . . . (Maududi, vol. 1, p. 319).

4. A man may be polygamous with up to four wives.

The Quran in Sura 4:3 says:

And if you be apprehensive that you will not be able to do justice to the orphans, you may marry two or three or four women whom you choose. But if you apprehend that you might not be able to do justice to them, then marry only one wife, or marry those who have fallen in your possession. (Maududi, vol. 1, p. 305)

3. A husband may simply get rid of one of his undesirable wives.

The Quran in Sura 4:129 says:

It is not within your power to be perfectly equitable in your treatment with all your wives, even if you wish to be so; therefore, [in order to satisfy the dictates of Divine Law] do not lean towards one wife so as to leave the other in a state of suspense. (Maududi, vol. 1, p. 381)

2. Husbands may hit their wives even if the husbands merely fear highhandedness in their wives (quite apart from whether they actually are highhanded).

The Quran in Sura 4:34 says:

4:34 . . . If you fear highhandedness from your wives, remind them [of the teaching of God], then ignore them when you go to bed, then hit them. If they obey you, you have no right to act against them. God is most high and great. (Haleem, emphasis added)

1. Mature men are allowed to marry prepubescent girls.

The Quran in Sura 65:1, 4 says:

65:1 O Prophet, when you [and the believers] divorce women, divorce them for their prescribed waiting—period and count the waiting—period accurately . . . 4 And if you are in doubt about those of your women who have despaired of menstruation, (you should know that) their waiting period is three months, and the same applies to those who have not menstruated as yet. As for pregnant women, their period ends when they have delivered their burden. (Maududi, vol. 5, pp. 599 and 617, emphasis added)

I am positively sure I misunderstand these quotes within their historical and cultural context! I detest that there are so many Muslims that misunderstand them, too.

That being said, the connection this has to Mormonism is clear. Patriarchal religions facilitate the abuse and oppression of women. It is indeed an unfortunate example of a male-controlled society when religion is used as a vehicle for the projection of control.

Very Respectfully,

Doctor CamNC4Me

[_sethpayne]

Hello All,

I must admit I am feeling a bit peckish today. I was curious what a cursory search using http://www.bing.com might reveal reference the Quran and Women. Behold, more propaganda:

10. A husband has sex with his wife, as a plow goes into a field.

The Quran in Sura (Chapter) 2:223 says:

Your women are your fields, so go into your fields whichever way you like . . . . (MAS Abdel Haleem, The Qur’an, Oxford UP, 2004)

9. Husbands are a degree above their wives.

The Quran in Sura 2:228 says:

. . . Wives have the same rights as the husbands have on them in accordance with the generally known principles. Of course, men are a degree above them in status . . . (Sayyid Abul A’La Maududi, The Meaning of the Qur’an, vol. 1, p. 165)

8. A male gets a double share of the inheritance over that of a female.

The Quran in Sura 4:11 says:

The share of the male shall be twice that of a female . . . . (Maududi, vol. 1, p. 311)

7. A woman’s testimony counts half of a man’s testimony.

The Quran in Sura 2:282 says:

And let two men from among you bear witness to all such documents [contracts of loans without interest]. But if two men be not available, there should be one man and two women to bear witness so that if one of the women forgets (anything), the other may remind her. (Maududi, vol. 1, p. 205).

6. A wife may remarry her ex—husband if and only if she marries another man and then this second man divorces her.

The Quran in Sura 2:230 says:

And if the husband divorces his wife (for the third time), she shall not remain his lawful wife after this (absolute) divorce, unless she marries another husband and the second husband divorces her. [In that case] there is no harm if they [the first couple] remarry . . . . (Maududi, vol. 1, p. 165)

5. Slave—girls are sexual property for their male owners.

The Quran in Sura 4:24 says:

And forbidden to you are wedded wives of other people except those who have fallen in your hands [as prisoners of war] . . . (Maududi, vol. 1, p. 319).

4. A man may be polygamous with up to four wives.

The Quran in Sura 4:3 says:

And if you be apprehensive that you will not be able to do justice to the orphans, you may marry two or three or four women whom you choose. But if you apprehend that you might not be able to do justice to them, then marry only one wife, or marry those who have fallen in your possession. (Maududi, vol. 1, p. 305)

3. A husband may simply get rid of one of his undesirable wives.

The Quran in Sura 4:129 says:

It is not within your power to be perfectly equitable in your treatment with all your wives, even if you wish to be so; therefore, [in order to satisfy the dictates of Divine Law] do not lean towards one wife so as to leave the other in a state of suspense. (Maududi, vol. 1, p. 381)

2. Husbands may hit their wives even if the husbands merely fear highhandedness in their wives (quite apart from whether they actually are highhanded).

The Quran in Sura 4:34 says:

4:34 . . . If you fear highhandedness from your wives, remind them [of the teaching of God], then ignore them when you go to bed, then hit them. If they obey you, you have no right to act against them. God is most high and great. (Haleem, emphasis added)

1. Mature men are allowed to marry prepubescent girls.

The Quran in Sura 65:1, 4 says:

65:1 O Prophet, when you [and the believers] divorce women, divorce them for their prescribed waiting—period and count the waiting—period accurately . . . 4 And if you are in doubt about those of your women who have despaired of menstruation, (you should know that) their waiting period is three months, and the same applies to those who have not menstruated as yet. As for pregnant women, their period ends when they have delivered their burden. (Maududi, vol. 5, pp. 599 and 617, emphasis added)

I am positively sure I misunderstand these quotes within their historical and cultural context! I detest that there are so many Muslims that misunderstand them, too.

That being said, the connection this has to Mormonism is clear. Patriarchal religions facilitate the abuse and oppression of women. It is indeed an unfortunate example of a male-controlled society when religion is used as a vehicle for the projection of control.

Very Respectfully,

Doctor CamNC4Me

I think this a gross oversimplification. There are plenty of Muslim men who treat their wives with love and respect. Likewise there are plenty of Mormon men who do likewise.

If, as a man, you are a jackass -- I think you are going to be a jackass no matter what religion you subscribe to.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

I think this a gross oversimplification. There are plenty of Muslim men who treat their wives with love and respect. Likewise there are plenty of Mormon men who do likewise.

If, as a man, you are a jackass -- I think you are going to be a jackass no matter what religion you subscribe to.

Sir,

May I inquire as to what is a gross oversimplication? That is, my friend, a scathing rebuke to my idea about religion and the patriarchy.

Very Respectfully,

Doctor CamNC4Me