J Green wrote:Or cksalmon’s fully-referenced thesis that radical Islam represents “chapel Islam” and that American academics feign ignorance of their widespread blood lust to paint them as a peace-loving people.
Unlike KA's situation, I think you have fairly represented me, here, J. As exhibit D, we might consider this. The spontaneous jubilance with which Palestinian Muslims received news of the fall of the towers in NY suggests to my mind an endemic cultural perspective.
Given the fact that these Palestinians celebrated, how does this get us to an endemic cultural perspective? From there, how do we get to Islam? Can you connect the dots? If secular Palestinians show anger towards the west because of percieved unilateral support for Israel, does this make it a religous issue in your mind? Are there other political or economic factors involved? And how far does your thesis extend into the past? Nasser and pan-arabism? After living in the Middle East for over eighteen years, I find it hard to take a Palestinian-related vignette and extrapolate radicalism as "chapel Islam."
Regards
". . . but they must long feel that to flatter and follow others, without being flattered and followed in turn, is but a state of half enjoyment" - Jane Austen in "Persuasion"
Miss Taken But not all of Islam is bad and not all those who follow it are bad, that is fundamental surely? Sure, there are extremist elements in Islam and there are extreme interpretations of Islam, but the West with all it's debauchery, materialism and worldliness, it's greed and corrupt political and economic systems, does not offer a viable alternative in many a Muslim view perhaps? Me; I know most of people who follow Islam aren't bad, I have many friends among them. Core Muslim view the extremist want yours & my submission. Don't you follow the events in Iran? Most people are fed up of Towel-Head rule. MissTaken Though you seem to imply that once a Muslim is in a majority the slaughter of the infidels will begin. Historically this has not always been the case. It very much depends on the leader surely? It doesn't surprise me you think this way, you do not come from a Christian Race where 80% of them were slaughtered, Young/old were killed, mercilessly, women, children were raped & sold into slavery, why? Main reason was Allah has delivered infidels into hads of righteous. MissTaken While Europe was languishing in the 'dark' ages and slaughtering Jews, Iraq was enjoying a high civilisation and enlightenment. Jews were shown tolerance in Iberia under Muslim rule whilst they were being slaughtered by 'Christians'. Greece, up until relatively recently managed to come through many 100's of years of 'Muslim' rule with a religion and belief still intact. They were not forcefully converted and they were not slaughtered on mass. (at least as far as I am aware)
That is pure propaganda; Jews, Greeks Armenians kept alive to suck their blood. Ottoman Empire was smart; you don't kill the goose which lays golden eggs; they stole christian boys to build a formidable army, stole their women to fill Sultan's Harems. Greeks & Armenians suffered centuries under brutal Ottoman rule.
MissTaken And let's not forget the evils of the west. Does Hitler represent all Western countries, does Mussollini, does Stalin? Let's not forget the South African concentration camps begun by the British, and the evils that were perpetuated by much of Europe under the cause of Empire and Expansionism. You're right but how long did those countries tolerate repressive rule? Do you see anybody desperately trying to immigrate to Iran, Egypt, Turkey?
MissTaken Let's not forget the plight of the American Indian and the Aborigine. Let's not forget the lot of the Indian under English rule. Nobody forgets thatAmericans, Australians, Germans acknowledge the wrong they've done and pay reparations, not that it can bring great warriors like Geronimo back but at least Western Civilizations humble themselves and apologize, will any Islamic country do the same?
Miss taken We don't live in a perfect world and there is no perfect system. You know this much at least, why don't you educate yourself a little more?
sethpayne wrote:This is really fascinating. I wish more of these images and stories would be made public.
Palestinians are wonderful people, there are many Christians among them, not that it matters. Today they live like destirutes. Once they used own their own land, thanks to west Israel stole most of their land.
"As I say, it never ceases to amaze me how gullible some of our Church members are" Harold B. Lee, "Admonitions for the Priesthood of God", Ensign, Jan 1973
I do not wish violence on Muslims, at all. I support the right of women to wear the burqa, should they choose to do so. I cannot, however, ignore the mountains of evidence proving that Islam itself incites a seemingly never-ending array of brutality.
Daniel Peterson wrote:Islam the Unitary Monolith, the Platonic Archetype, the Stereotype, the Unchanging and Undifferentiated.
Read a few news stories, and you've got it nailed.
Dr. Peterson,
Perhaps she has read 10,000 news stories and has come to the conclusion Islam inculcates a violent and oppressive mindset in a good percentage of its followers? I find it sometimes odd to watch Christians or Atheists bash the Mormon church reference the Mountain Meadows Massacre, but then turn apologetic reference Islamic violence. The Mormon church has demonstrably produced a largely peaceful body of followers, and in fact, demands its adherents obey the laws of whatever land they reside (an odd conundrum for Middle Eastern countries, I'm sure).
Islam, in its varied forms, has produced, and continues to produce horror upon horror. It is not a good ideology.
Very Respectfully,
Doctor CamNC4Me
In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.
Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:Islam, in its varied forms, has produced, and continues to produce horror upon horror. It is not a good ideology.
It isn't fair to paint Islam this way. I live among Muslims and employ them. Not a one of them is anything like what I see in your caricature. But who knows, maybe they're holding back secretly.
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:Islam, in its varied forms, has produced, and continues to produce horror upon horror. It is not a good ideology.
It isn't fair to paint Islam this way. I live among Muslims and employ them. Not a one of them is anything like what I see in your caricature. But who knows, maybe they're holding back secretly.
Sir,
When in Mecca...
Very Respectfully,
Doctor CamNC4Me
In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.
Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
Daniel Peterson wrote:This board is rife with fakery, pretense, and militant ignorance.
That is not right, DCP. A blanket statement like this is not a good definition, coming from a person in your stature.
What stature? How insane it is that so many people look at this man as if he hung the f-ing moon! Let's remember folks, he is only a school teacher working at a university. DCP is not something anyone should worship. Could it be that there are those who would carve statues of him and bow down before them?
Let us make an image of DCP and bow down before him. Let him be our God! Praise him forever more!
