Plaza Incident

[_maklelan]

The two suspects may very well have coordinated this event to provoke a response from the church and create embarassing media attention for the church. If that was their plan, they succeeded.

what has happened to the church's PR savvy mainstreaming strategy? Is it just my imagination or has the church lost it's PR touch since Hinckley died? Why did they allow a couple gay guys to create a media event over a minor trespassing ticket?

How did they "allow" them to create this media event? Would it have been a smarter move to make attempts to shut them up, or to refuse to comment?

[_Paul Osborne]

Dallas

I live in the city limits of Dallas Texas.

Hell yeah! Best place on earth. It's the Garden of Eden.

Paul O

[_karl61]

I think it is time for the robot to walk the plaza:

[_Gazelam]

I wonder if Church security has truly explored all of their options in how to safely deal with militant homosexuals and their supporters who seek to trespass on Church grounds...



From april 2007:
An airman received second-degree burns April 4 during a test of the Defense Department’s nonlethal millimeter-wave heat beam at Moody Air Force Base, Ga., according to Marine Corps Maj. Sarah Fullwood, spokeswoman for the Advanced Concept Technology Demonstrator program, Quantico, Va.

The airman was burned as the Air Force’s 820th Security Forces Group was testing a demonstrator version of the Active Denial System, a Humvee-mounted system that produces an intense heat beam.

He was being treated at Doctors Hospital in Augusta, Ga., and is expected to make a full recovery, Fullwood said.

Fullwood said more than 600 people have been exposed a total of more than 10,000 times to the beam, and there has only been one other injury that required medical attention: a case of second-degree burns that occurred during lab testing in 1999.

[_EAllusion]

You know very well those kids were lying.

I do? And here I thought my position is that someone is lying, but we don't know who. Thanks for clearing that up.

They were admittedly intoxicated

So? It's not like they admitted to being sloppy drunk and blacking out.

, admittedly "lewd," and admittedly cursed at the security guards.

Supposedly after they were told to leave the premises. Probably not the best reaction in the world, but common and understandable enough that we shouldn't just go ahead and assume they were lying because of this. Maybe they just didn't want to take guff from potentially overzealous LDS security and felt they were being discriminated against. We certainly don't have enough information to conclude they were there to antagonize with a sloppy grope session.

I understand that it's difficult to think objectively when the opportunity to denigrate the church presents itself.

You claiming it is obvious these men were lying despite not being privvy to any evidence that is strong enough to make that conclusion strikes me as crippling bias revealing itself. Me suggesting that maybe the Church's official report here isn't necessarily accurate? Not so much.

[_EAllusion]

How is the church antagonistic toward gays?

The Church is antagonistic towards gays by favoring laws that discriminate against them. It also teaches that homosexuality is immoral and has pressured its members to undergo extensive efforts to dispel it. Not only that, it has spent inordinately more effort on this than a variety of other issues it necessarily has moral stances on. The Church is opposed to homosexuality in a variety of ways. You might favor this state of affairs thinking there is good reason for doing it, but it clearly is an antagonistic stance. Doing it with a smile doesn't change the fundamental nature of it.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

It is interesting how the apologists for the two accused individuals are mimicking perfectly the behaviour, denials, and cog-dis they spend hours critisizing the LDS apologists of maintaining.

Keep turning the blind eye to this point! Wouldn't want to ruin your fun and save you hours of pointless posts.

Hello Good Sir,

If you will note, I acceded to Doctor Steuss' rejoinder reference my musings upon the matter. I fully acknowledge Mr Aune was most likely aware the property belonged to the Church, however I still suspect he and his boyfriend were most likely enjoying "a little bit of Paris" rather than making a political statement.

Very Respectfully,

Doctor CamNC4Me

[_maklelan]

How is the church antagonistic toward gays?

The Church is antagonistic towards gays by favoring laws that discriminate against them.

Totally ludicrous. The Church does not favor those laws just to spite gay people or to try to make them angry. They do it because of their own concerns for the outcomes of laws that might arise as a rseult As I state quited clearly before, there's an enormous difference between disagreement and antagonism. I'm genuinely surprise that someone actually thought anyone here was stupid enough to buy your comment.

It also teaches that homosexuality is immoral and has pressured its members to undergo extensive efforts to dispel it. Not only that, it has spent inordinately more effort on this than a variety of other issues it necessarily has moral stances on.

And since you don't have the first clue how much the church has spent on anything, your statement means slightly less than jack.

The Church is opposed to homosexuality in a variety of ways. You might favor this state of affairs thinking there is good reason for doing it, but it clearly is an antagonistic stance. Doing it with a smile doesn't change the fundamental nature of it.

What a joke. If you think that's antagonism you need to find a new dictionary.

[_Doctor Steuss]

[...] It may have been more of a "let's see what happens" motivation, but I have a difficult time concluding the implication of where they were went entirely unnoticed.

Makes sense.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Hello Mr. Crusader,

I would respectfully suggest you consult a dictionary and look up the word "antagonize". It is very clear the Mormon church has caused homosexuals to become hostile toward it, as an institution, through their political and religious activities.

Very Respectfully,

Doctor CamNC4Me