And about Peterson's claimed hebrew/jewish scholar contacts

[_Daniel Peterson]

And, just to repeat, I've often learned things, gained new insights, and received answers to questions in the temple.

[_RockSlider]

Also realize that my experience was in two of the busiest temples in the world (Provo was typically number one, West Jordan two and Mt. Timp 3 in the most endowments done per year).

You would be encouraged to not hang around too long in the CR. Sharing the place simultaneously with 90 other people also does not lend itself to personal contemplation, nor private/personal conversation.

Trust me ... the ordinance worker meeting rooms in the basement are where its at! With the cafeteria also on this level, you will not be bounced back into play, while heading down there.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Hello,

For the people who are claiming "new insights" and "answers" to whatever it is they were thinking about, why do you think a quiet moment of meditation in your office, car, or home would not achieve the same thing? Why would a god require you to be in "His house" in order for you to simply learn new things? I am sure any god worth his salt can teach you whenever and wherever he feels the need (hence the need for a celestial ghost?). The temple ceremony is stunningly boring, I am sorry to say, and if anything is likely to occur it is a mind becoming complacent rather than stimulated and intuitive.

That being said, if you are reticent to discuss the "knowledge" you gained while in your temple then it is rather pointless to crow about it. It is, indeed, a useless display of hubris.

Very Respectfully,

Doctor CamNC4Me

[_harmony]

I think the problem I've always had with the temple (besides the veil thing) is that it's always been a destination, instead of being part of my journey back to God... part of building my relationship with God. It's something that must be done, repeatedly, and on someone else's schedule. There's simply no time... no time to stop and ponder, no time to sit in contemplation. Hurry and dress, hurry and get in line for a name, hurry... the session is about to start... hustle... quietly, yes, but hustle... we have a schedule and waiting for you to contemplate whatever it is that is on your mind is simply not allowed... we have a schedule! How many sessions did you do today? How many hours did you travel to get to the temple? Wasn't that a great experience? Huh? I suppose so, if being moved from place to place with no time to simply sit and absorb the atmosphere makes a great experience?

Remember... for years, I lived hours and hours of driving from my nearest temple. And now, we have to make an appointment. Can't just go and enjoy the atmosphere.

Quiet contemplation has never been one of the reasons I've ever been given for going to the temple. Maybe I just don't have that sort of thing worked into my schedule.

It's entirely possible it's all my fault. Well, except for my problem with the veil... that is definitely not my fault.

[_quaker]

Hello,

For the people who are claiming "new insights" and "answers" to whatever it is they were thinking about, why do you think a quiet moment of meditation in your office, car, or home would not achieve the same thing? Why would a god require you to be in "His house" in order for you to simply learn new things? I am sure any god worth his salt can teach you whenever and wherever he feels the need (hence the need for a celestial ghost?). The temple ceremony is stunningly boring, I am sorry to say, and if anything is likely to occur it is a mind becoming complacent rather than stimulated and intuitive.

That being said, if you are reticent to discuss the "knowledge" you gained while in your temple then it is rather pointless to crow about it. It is, indeed, a useless display of hubris.

Very Respectfully,

Doctor CamNC4Me

That did not sound respectful at all. Combine it with the rest of your posts and I have reason to believe that it was not respectful.

I have a suggestion for you, however. If you wish to learn the things of God then you need to approach God on His terms and in the fashion that He dictates. This is the same if you wish to truly learn about anything. If you want to learn about a culture, if you want to learn a sport, if you want to learn music. You can't simply read a book and gain a complete understanding of anything. Without performing the necessary actions and placing yourself in positions to experience what you wish to you then you cannot expect to receive what you desire to receive.

It is naïve and very close minded to think that because something does not function the way you think it should that it does not function at all. I hope you do not approach other things you wish to learn with the same attitude you approach Mormonism, or even God.

[_Joey]

Question:Does he know of any of these folks who would support the LDS claim to the requirement or practice of temple marriage ceremonies in ancient jewish/hebrew culture?

Going back to the original question?

Got lots of Millets, but no direct answer.

I have a suggestion for you, however. If you wish to learn the things of God then you need to approach God on His terms and in the fashion that He dictates. This is the same if you wish to truly learn about anything. If you want to learn about a culture, if you want to learn a sport, if you want to learn music. You can't simply read a book and gain a complete understanding of anything. Without performing the necessary actions and placing yourself in positions to experience what you wish to you then you cannot expect to receive what you desire to receive.

And as we have been told by Christ, if we are willing to listen on His terms, "He spoke openly and in secret said nothing"! A far cry of secret handshakes and passwords to be in His audience for sharing and listening.

[_Daniel Peterson]

I don't know of any Jewish scholar who, on the subject of eternal marriage in temples, is a Mormon. I've never expected to find one, and don't much care. I also don't know of any Jewish scholars who believe in Nicene Trinitarianism or who share the view of the epistle to the Hebrews that the children of Israel, under Moses, were following Christ.

That being said, if you are reticent to discuss the "knowledge" you gained while in your temple then it is rather pointless to crow about it.

I didn't "crow" about it

It was suggested that temple goers don't get answers to questions and/or don't, fairly commonly, gain new knowledge while attending the temple. I responded, simply, that I have gotten answers to questions and, on more than a few occasions, have gained new knowledge.

I ask your forgiveness for my contemptible reluctance to share the details of extremely personal experiences, on demand, with hostile strangers on a public message board.

It is, indeed, a useless display of hubris.

Whatever.

Incidentally, our views of God evidently disagree. I apologize in advance for having the temerity and sheer hubris not to share your view.

[_Joey]

I don't know of any Jewish scholar who, on the subject of eternal marriage in temples, is a Mormon. I've never expected to find one, and don't much care. I also don't know of any Jewish scholars who believe in Nicene Trinitarianism or who share the view of the epistle to the Hebrews that the children of Israel, under Moses, were following Christ.

Well, again, not the question that was asked. But thanks for the Millet!

What we see is that those who should best know the history of the ancient jewish temples see no such evidence nor support for the LDS claim of temple marriages and LDS ceremonies within the temple no matter how hard the LDS church tries to create a link for their members.

Much like we see with the total lack professional peer and academic acceptance of Clark and any link to a mesoamerican-BOM link.

A very common and obvious pattern within the LDS church. If the history never existed, can there be any truth in the claims?

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

I don't know of any Jewish scholar who, on the subject of eternal marriage in temples, is a Mormon. I've never expected to find one, and don't much care. I also don't know of any Jewish scholars who believe in Nicene Trinitarianism or who share the view of the epistle to the Hebrews that the children of Israel, under Moses, were following Christ.

...

I ask your forgiveness for my contemptible reluctance to share the details of extremely personal experiences, on demand, with hostile strangers on a public message board.

...

Incidentally, our views of God evidently disagree. I apologize in advance for having the temerity and sheer hubris not to share your view.

Hello Doctor,

Claiming that you gain insights and revelation from God is, indeed... Crowing. You have experienced the Divine, apparently. I do not see the point of making unsubstantiated claims, nor do I see the point of sharing with a diverse crowd that you have special insight and knowledge granted to you by God, but do not wish to share it. It is bizarre, at best. I hope you are enjoying your afternoon in the Great West, Sir.

Very Respectfully,

Doctor CamNC4Me

[_Daniel Peterson]

Well, again, not the question that was asked.

So, what was the question? I thought you wanted to know whether any Jewish scholar agrees with the Mormons about temple marriage, and I thought I said that, no, to my knowledge none did.

But thanks for the Millet!

I wish I could thank you for the predictable sneering put-down. But I don't appreciate them, don't think they're civil, and don't think they're called for.

You've treated me with aggressive personal contempt since our first encounter, and I wonder what you think that accomplishes, or what you think that says about me.

What we see is that those who should best know the history of the ancient jewish temples see no such evidence nor support for the LDS claim of temple marriages and LDS ceremonies within the temple no matter how hard the LDS church tries to create a link for their members.

What we see is that non-Mormons don't agree with Mormons. I'm not sure why that should be surprising or newsworthy.

Does any serious LDS scholar, by the way, claim to have evidence that LDS-style marriages were commonly (or, indeed, ever) performed in Solomon's or Herod's temple? If so, I haven't seen the claim. So showing that people who disagree with our theology don't accept a claim related to our theology that we haven't actually made seems rather . . . pointless.