Martha Beck vs. King Gidorah: The Series

[_Droopy]

Not to anybody who lives here. I live here. My wife lives here. When I first encountered Martha's claim, I ran it by my wife. (I allow her to speak on alternate Tuesdays.) She laughed. She thought it was ridiculous. I ran it by some of the other women I know. The ones, anyway, who are permitted outside of their houses (while wearing black chadors.) I interviewed them from behind a screen. They laughed, too. They thought it was ridiculous. I've never run into anybody who lives in Utah County who hasn't laughed and thought it ridiculous.

It would have been laughable and ridiculous in the seventies, too.

there is an eerie sense of voyeuristic shame in seeing Beck's defenders make fools of themselves in public running this kind of thing past longstanding members of the Church who simply know better.

That this comes from claimed members, or ex-members, who clearly should know better themselves, has other disturbing implications.

[_LDSDoubter]

If you know anything about sex magick you would know that this type of abuse, called SRA, is characteristic of other abuses that have been recalled as in the Glen Pace memo. Glen Pace even said there's no way the stories could all be made up because certain details described were identical in some parties that never met each other. These groups do rituals that often involve tramatizing children.

What I personally believe is that there was a "cult within a cult" that was doing these crimes, such as the ones from the movie "Do you know the muffin man?" What Beck described Nibley doing is not exclusive to Mormonism and has occured in other organizations. Unfornately, its a sad reality that child abusers like this infiltrate every part of our society.

And back we go to the eighties, to Phil Donahue, Satanic sex abuse in daycare centers, Repressed Memory Syndrome, cults within cults, wheels within wheels, all in the windmills of our minds.

And a new conspiracy theory is born, free, as are many of them from evidence, logical argument, or facts.

The "Do You Know the Muffin Man" daycare SRA case was substantiated with facts. If you dig hard enough you will find that police uncovered a trap door with an engraved pentagram leading to a cave under the daycare center, as well as leading to an appartment complex nearby. Ritual paraphanalia was found in the cave as well as in the appartments. The construction crew bulldozing the place was in on the cult, and police stopped the demolition just in time so they could uncover the evidence.

I remember seeing the movie "Do you know the muffin man" and watched a documentary on it on youtube that took the camera around the site and interviewed the police. So, to say that none of the SRA cases of the 80s were unestablished is a crock. This case led to a whole gang of them being arrested.

The "cult within a cult" is a common MO among pedophile cults, I'm sure "Do You Know the Muffin Man" is not an isolated case. If these people can inflitrate one community, they can infiltrate the Mormons just the same. Seeing as its already been proven on here that Nibley was not above lying in his books, how do we know he wasn't above lying in life? Also, in the telestial forum we were just discussing a temple ceremony that allows a person to get off scott-free of all his sins and become a god no matter what. With this belief in the back of his mind who's to say that Nibley didn't somehow justify his involvement with SRA in this manner?

[_Daniel Peterson]

And off we go, into the Twilight Zone.

I remember, back when Leaving the Saints first came out, that it didn't even get a very believing reception on the so-called "Recovery" board. This place, though, seems to offer a much more receptive audience.

I confess to being a bit surprised, but I'm fascinated. And that sort of fascination is pretty much why I come here.

[_Dr. Shades]

I remember, back when Leaving the Saints first came out, that it didn't even get a very believing reception on the so-called "Recovery" board. This place, though, seems to offer a much more receptive audience.

On the other hand, perhaps those of us here who are extremely skeptical of Martha's claims are merely being silent. Like me, for example.

[_Daniel Peterson]

On the other hand, perhaps those of us here who are extremely skeptical of Martha's claims are merely being silent. Like me, for example.

Well, I'm pleased to hear that there are dissenters on the board.

[Guest]

The McMartin's were exonerated when it was later discovered what social workers and therapists had done to coerce and psychologically flog out of the children the testimony that was used to convict them.

This was repeated numerous times across the nation during the hight of the Satanic sex abuse hysteria of the mid-eighties to mid-nineties.

Two excellent books have been written on the subject, Dorothy Rabinowitz’s No Crueler Tyrannies, and another, Satan's Silence: Ritual Abuse and the Making of a Modern American Witch Hunt , would be of great help in getting beyond this intellectually.

The trap door, cave, etc, is pure bunk, and has been long ago discredited.

When you hear people speak of the "Oprahfication" of our culture, this kind of thing is exhibit 'a'.

[_Droopy]

This is the best, most concise, and through treatment of the Satanic ritual child abuse hysteria, and the McMartin pre-school case I've found on the web.

http://www.ipt-forensics.com/journal/volume7/j7_2_1.htm

http://www.ipt-forensics.com/

The major perps in this sorry and terribly destructive episode in our modern pop/liberal/pc cultural milieu, are interesting, involving regions of the helping professions including aspects of counseling psychology, the social work profession (a major player) radical feminism, the liberal mainstream media, and EV Christianity (only the last seems a strange bedfellow).

There's much more on the web to peruse, and the books I mentioned. I really don't think anyone but a died-in-the-wool true believer (like TD) could come away from the facts and evidence here with anything but a sense of sheer disgust.

[_RockSlider]

On the other hand, perhaps those of us here who are extremely skeptical of Martha's claims are merely being silent. Like me, for example.

Well, I'm pleased to hear that there are dissenters on the board.

I don't buy it either

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Hello,

I, for one, do not believe Ms. Martha Beck's claim.

Very Respectfully,

Doctor CamNC4Me

[_solomarineris]

Well, I'm pleased to hear that there are dissenters on the board.

Your hypocrisy truly gags me, how come you guys feel comfortable to roam on boards like this and yet
if we ever were out of line with mainstream mass ideology on MADb surely we'd be banned, as it is self evident
by the eviction of hundreds.
You come here, use this place as your main pasture (which is good, intellectual diversity is not a crime).
Only reason I'm mentioning this is I know for a fact that you had your hands on few dozens of bans.
And yet you seem to be pleased to see some dissent?
Donnerwetter! Ich bin verklemmt!