I'm beginning to think it isn't worth it

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Re: I'm beginning to think it isn't worth it

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William Schryver wrote:I would also highly recommend this recent thread, wherein it is demonstrated that the scroll from which the extant fragments of the Joseph Smith Papyri were cut was considerably longer than has long been believed.

Missing Papyrus

The paper, as presently constituted, is really just a draft. A more complete version will appear in print in the reasonably near future.

Will,

An update. Brent Metcalfe helpfully provided two more sets of photographs with rulers in the margins: one from George D. Smith and one from Wesley P. Walters. Walters' photographs materially agree with the scale of the Improvement Era photos, appearing to verify the accuracy of Mortal Man's analysis. The George D. Smith photos, however, portray the papyrus as dramatically smaller. They show PJS X, for example, as being a full two inches shorter than the Walters photos do. Brent checked his own exact-size photographs for us, and they add further confirmation for the Walters and Improvement Era measurements. The reason for the anomaly of the George D. Smith photos has not been definitively determined, but we suspect upon examining them that they may actually be photographs of photographs. Brent is trying to contact Smith to ask for clarification.

In any case, the Improvement Era scale appears to be more or less doubly confirmed, and the George D. Smith photos certainly provide no support for the apologists' case since they would actually result in a considerably smaller estimate of the length of the missing papyrus.

It is likely that I or Mortal Man will post measurements from the Walters photos in the near future. I fully expect Mortal Man's and my earlier analysis to be materially verified.

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Re: I'm beginning to think it isn't worth it

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CS:
It is likely that I or Mortal Man will post measurements from the Walters photos in the near future. I fully expect Mortal Man's and my earlier analysis to be materially verified.

I'm quite sure you do "fully expect" your analysis to be verified. And I enthusiastically encourage you to publish your findings in whatever venue will have them. I truly hope they get wide dissemination. I am exceedingly desirous for you to commit yourselves to your arguments with great conviction and widespread publication. I hope George Smith will publish you. I hope Metcalfe gets on board with your arguments and finds sufficient testicular fortitude to align himself with them. I also hope Metcalfe will, someday soon, formally advocate for the Ashment "simultaneous transcripts of an oral dictation" thesis of KEPA #2 and #3. I also look forward to the publication of the results of his "quill pen" experiments on the ink question at Abr. 1:12.

I'm counting on all of these things to come to pass precisely as you and others have described them.

So, let me know when and where I will be able to obtain a personal copy of the Cook/Smith paper on measuring the winding lengths of the scroll of Horos. I'd like a copy hot off the presses.
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Re: I'm beginning to think it isn't worth it

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William Schryver wrote:So, let me know when and where I will be able to obtain a personal copy of the Cook/Smith paper on measuring the winding lengths of the scroll of Horos. I'd like a copy hot off the presses.

When that day comes-- and it may not be too far in the future-- I'll be happy to oblige.
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