The "hits" between the Shang Chinese and the Olmec

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Re: The "hits" between the Shang Chinese and the Olmec

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"Daniel Peterson"]How familiar are you with John Sorenson's work on transoceanic contacts? Here are three items from this particular resident of "the FARMS clown car":


Hmm,
Are you familiar with Erich von Daniken's transoceanic contacts hypothesis?
At least he has an explanation of a Alien galactic transportation explanation.
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Re: The "hits" between the Shang Chinese and the Olmec

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Hello,

I have to wonder if Dr. Sorenson argues on behalf Jewish transoceanic contact with Amerind populations, and if that is the case if his non-Mormon colleagues are as equally impressed with his scholarship?

Very Respectfully,

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Re: The "hits" between the Shang Chinese and the Olmec

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Two things:

1 - I agree with Sethbag that someone could be a perfectly legitimate scholar in a field yet propose something in their own or another field that is simply not supportable. So the fact that John Sorenson has been recognized for compiling a work that is accepted by other scholars does not necessarily lend credibility to his FARMS work. A non-Mormon example would be the biblical minimalist movement and scholars like Thomas L. Thompson. You can't argue with his credentials, but you can argue with his opinions.

2 - I do find it a little odd that Dr. "CanNC4Me" won't release his real identity.
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Re: The "hits" between the Shang Chinese and the Olmec

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Hello Mr. StructureCop,

Aside from the odd notion an anonymous poster is complaining about anonymity, I was, in fact, going to "release" my identity at Dr. Peterson's behest. I was, quite literally, in the middle of composing a reply when Doctor Scratch presciently reminded me that Dr. Peterson has effectively destroyed the career of one fellow academic, and has meddled in the private life of another forum participant. Add to that the other Mormon apologists who have threatened people, wished death on people, and have confronted other people in their place of business, well, I have reconsidered, and rightfully so.

Very Respectfully,

Doctor CamNC4Me
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Re: The "hits" between the Shang Chinese and the Olmec

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:Hello Mr. StructureCop,

Aside from the odd notion an anonymous poster is complaining about anonymity, I was, in fact, going to "release" my identity at Dr. Peterson's behest. I was, quite literally, in the middle of composing a reply when Doctor Scratch presciently reminded me that Dr. Peterson has effectively destroyed the career of one fellow academic, and has meddled in the private life of another forum participant. Add to that the other Mormon apologists who have threatened people, wished death on people, and have confronted other people in their place of business, well, I have reconsidered, and rightfully so.

I've been pretty open about my identity. If you go to MADB and view my past posts, you will even see pictures of me. I have nothing to hide, but most people know me by this handle so I stick with it.

I'm not sure exactly how you would be able to be in the middle of composing a reply and be reminded by Dr. Scratch about anything, unless you two know each other in real life or, as Dr. Peterson has implied (and outright stated) that you are the same person.

I also have a very hard time believing that Dr. Peterson has "effectively destroyed the career" of someone. Unless you teach at a Church-owned school or are an academic in the Middle Eastern Studies field, I can't even see how he could mount a case against you among your supervisors or peers. And even then, Dr. Peterson is a relatively unknown entity in his secular field of study.

So maybe you are a sockpuppet (cue Twilight Zone music).
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Re: The "hits" between the Shang Chinese and the Olmec

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Calculus Crusader wrote:Don't project your inadequacies onto me.


You think my familiarity with this history is restricted to high school? This is a good illustration of the problem with arguing from pure assumption (the problem with Sorenson and your original thesis is another good illustration). You've absolutely ignored every fact presented you and done nothing but asserted facts you've invented. I'm no longer interested in reading or replying to your posts.
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Re: The "hits" between the Shang Chinese and the Olmec

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solomarineris wrote:Hmm,
Are you familiar with Erich von Daniken's transoceanic contacts hypothesis?
At least he has an explanation of a Alien galactic transportation explanation.
How did Jesus travel to Old World?
Wait, I know, of course;
Teleportation.
No?


Zing!
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Re: The "hits" between the Shang Chinese and the Olmec

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StructureCop wrote:I also have a very hard time believing that Dr. Peterson has "effectively destroyed the career" of someone.


I have a hard time believing most of Scratch's assertions, given the lies he's concocted about me. Cultivating the impression that Mormons, and especially Mormon scholars, are vindictive and conniving reprobates seem to be Scratch's primary motivation for posting here.
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Re: The "hits" between the Shang Chinese and the Olmec

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Structure Cop wrote:

I've been pretty open about my identity. If you go to MADB and view my past posts, you will even see pictures of me. I have nothing to hide, but most people know me by this handle so I stick with it.


Then, go ahead and knock yourself out by releasing that information here. And more than a picture, please.

I can't go and research all your posts on the MADness board (banned), so if you are so cool about letting people in on who you are in real life, then go ahead.

People here have good reason to not let out their private information, as people do on any board. Why would you badger them to do so? I presume, since you are on other boards, that you are aware of the dangers involved with carrying out your request?

If you don't care, then proceed at your own risk.
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Re: The "hits" between the Shang Chinese and the Olmec

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maklelan wrote:
Calculus Crusader wrote:Don't project your inadequacies onto me.


You think my familiarity with this history is restricted to high school? This is a good illustration of the problem with arguing from pure assumption...


Medice, cura te ipsum!

maklelan wrote:...(the problem with Sorenson and your original thesis is another good illustration). You've absolutely ignored every fact presented you and done nothing but asserted facts you've invented.


You can add that delusion to your stockpile.

maklelan wrote:I'm no longer interested in reading or replying to your posts.


So long!
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