Obama is not eligible for President and how it's covered up

[_Doctor Steuss]

Anyone can submit a birth announcement and not have it checked. Of course that is all just changing the subject to avoid the real questions.

I don't think it changes the subject at all. But, ok.

Why does Obama spend thousands of dollars in the courts preventing anyone from seeing the long form birth certificate?

I didn’t know he was doing this. It was my understanding that it was Hawaii State law that was preventing this.

If he is indeed spending “thousands of dollars in the courts preventing anyone from seeing the long form birth certificate,” I don’t know that I would feel the need to automatically assume nefarious motives.

What is he afraid of?

I don’t know that he is afraid of anything.

Out of curiosity (unless this is changing the subject away from the “real questions” too):

Do you believe the staff of Factcheck.org was shown a forgery? Or are they in on the conspiracy?

Is the Hawaii Health Department Director (Dr. Chiyome Fukino) in on the conspiracy, or has she only seen a forgery?

Is the Hawaii registrar of vital statistics (Alvin Onaka) in on the conspiracy, or has he only seen a forgery?

Is Barbara Nelson in on the conspiracy, or is she mistaken in her memory?

Should the rights of the state of Hawaii, and its laws concerning the availability of birth certificates be circumvented in this case?

Does it matter that the Hawaii Department of Health doesn’t give the option to request a photocopy of your long-form birth certificate, or is this part of the conspiracy as well?

Why does the State Department find the short form certificate to be acceptable if it is supposedly so easy to be forged (or is the State Department part of the conspiracy as well)?

[_bcspace]

Anyone can submit a birth announcement and not have it checked. Of course that is all just changing the subject to avoid the real questions.

I don't think it changes the subject at all. But, ok.

It changes the subject because a birth announcement does not officially define a persons place of birth.

Why does Obama spend thousands of dollars in the courts preventing anyone from seeing the long form birth certificate?

I didn’t know he was doing this. It was my understanding that it was Hawaii State law that was preventing this.

Hawaii State law does not prevent Obama from releasing the document.

If he is indeed spending “thousands of dollars in the courts preventing anyone from seeing the long form birth certificate,” I don’t know that I would feel the need to automatically assume nefarious motives.

I don’t know that he is afraid of anything.

The two most plausible reasons are:

1) His birth cert does not say he was born where he says he was.
2) The release of that document would set a precendent for numerous other peices of information he has been keeping back that could possibly shed much negative light on what he believes and what his goals are.

Do you believe the staff of Factcheck.org was shown a forgery?

They didn't answer the question as to what the long form says.

Does Factcheck.org say that the long form contains the information stating that Obama was born in Hawaii?

They haven't asked the right questions.

Is the Hawaii Health Department Director (Dr. Chiyome Fukino) in on the conspiracy, or has she only seen a forgery?

Is the Hawaii registrar of vital statistics (Alvin Onaka) in on the conspiracy, or has he only seen a forgery?

Is Barbara Nelson in on the conspiracy, or is she mistaken in her memory?

The same applies here. Have they answered the question?

Should the rights of the state of Hawaii, and its laws concerning the availability of birth certificates be circumvented in this case?

Obama should release the document.

Does it matter that the Hawaii Department of Health doesn’t give the option to request a photocopy of your long-form birth certificate, or is this part of the conspiracy as well?

Are they preventing Obama from releasing the document or a copy of it?

Why does the State Department find the short form certificate to be acceptable if it is supposedly so easy to be forged (or is the State Department part of the conspiracy as well)?

The State Department is now part of the Obama Adminstration. Inaddition, John McCain released both his long and short form when questions arose about whether or not he was a natural born citizen.. Obama must do the same if he wants to erase doubts about his eligbility.

[_Doctor Steuss]

Does it matter that the Hawaii Department of Health doesn’t give the option to request a photocopy of your long-form birth certificate, or is this part of the conspiracy as well?

Are they preventing Obama from releasing the document or a copy of it?

I don't know. From what I can gather, they don't even provide the option for it to even be requested.

As a side note (based on the answer below my mention of her, I assume you're not familiar with who she is), Barbara Nelson is a woman who has given a personal recolection of a conversation she had with the doctor who delivered Obama.

[_bcspace]

Are they preventing Obama from releasing the document or a copy of it?

I don't know. From what I can gather, they don't even provide the option for it to even be requested.

I don't think anything like that matters at this point. The hospital itself has equivocated for monts. They've lied about a letter from Obama. And they may recently have actually broken the law in this case.

As a side note (based on the answer below my mention of her, I assume you're not familiar with who she is), Barbara Nelson is a woman who has given a personal recolection of a conversation she had with the doctor who delivered Obama.

I'm quite familiar with the story. Barbara Nelson really doesn't remember anything at all. She can't even provide any specifics about the birth. She's admitted her knowledge comes from a dinner conversation with a Dr. West. Did West deliver Obama? Did West know who did?

Hence, I lumped that in with all the rest of those who aren't addressing the actual question.

[_JohnStuartMill]

Anyone can submit a birth announcement and not have it checked. Of course that is all just changing the subject to avoid the real questions.

bcspace,

Step back for a moment. Breathe. Put away your Obama hatred for a half a minute and think about this: why would anyone print two false birth announcements in small Hawaiian newspapers? What would be the point of that?

[_bcspace]

Step back for a moment. Breathe. Put away your Obama hatred for a half a minute and think about this: why would anyone print two false birth announcements in small Hawaiian newspapers? What would be the point of that?

Done. It would be just as important to an immigrant then, as it is now, to get US citizenship status for their children. It could be percieved by said immigrants, and perhaps it was common, that an announcement in the paper could certianly substitute in the minds of others for a view of the actual long form.

I think several of you here, and many in the Obama controlled media, have erroneously applied an extreme minority pov to all the rest of those concerned about this issue. The only conspiracy I think may be going on here is simply a recently constructed barrier by the very new Obama administration to prevent people from knowing where Obama was really born and/or to prevent a precedent of having to reveal other damning evidence against him.

It has nothing at all to do with Obama personally. The question for you is, should anyone be president of the US if they are not a natural born citizen? In other words, do you accept what the constitution says?

I don't think you do and that is why people like you must never be allowed to hold public office.

[_JohnStuartMill]

Step back for a moment. Breathe. Put away your Obama hatred for a half a minute and think about this: why would anyone print two false birth announcements in small Hawaiian newspapers? What would be the point of that?

Done. It would be just as important to an immigrant then, as it is now, to get US citizenship status for their children. It could be percieved by said immigrants, and perhaps it was common, that an announcement in the paper could certianly substitute in the minds of others for a view of the actual long form.

Yeah, right. If all it took to get citizenship were a couple birth announcements, then there'd be no point whatsoever to American citizenship law.

I think several of you here, and many in the Obama controlled media

Heh. The National Review is controlled by Obama, is it?

have erroneously applied an extreme minority pov to all the rest of those concerned about this issue. The only conspiracy I think may be going on here is simply a recently constructed barrier by the very new Obama administration to prevent people from knowing where Obama was really born and/or to prevent a precedent of having to reveal other damning evidence against him.

Where do you think he was really born, then? Obama's mother was living in Hawaii at the time of his birth; if she was so concerned about her son being an American citizen, why would she jet off to another country and give birth to him outside of the United States? Congratulations, moron: your theory is self-contradictory.

It has nothing at all to do with Obama personally. The question for you is, should anyone be president of the US if they are not a natural born citizen? In other words, do you accept what the constitution says?

I don't think you do and that is why people like you must never be allowed to hold public office.

Don't question my patriotism, you inbred twit.

[_bcspace]

Here are the four ways an original birth certificate could have been obtained in 1961:

BC1. If the birth was attended by a physician or mid wife, the attending medical professional was required to certify to the Department of Health the facts of the birth date, location, parents’ identities and other information. (See Section 57-8 & 9 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii which was in effect in 1961).

BC2. In 1961, if a person was born in Hawaii but not attended by a physician or midwife, then all that was required was that one of the parents send in a birth certificate to be filed. The birth certificate could be filed by mail. There appears to have been no requirement for the parent to actually physically appear before “the local registrar of the district.” It would have been very easy for a relative to forge an absent parent’s signature to a form and mail it in. In addition, if a claim was made that “neither parent of the newborn child whose birth is unattended as above provided is able to prepare a birth certificate, the local registrar shall secure the necessary information from any person having knowledge of the birth and prepare and file the certificate.” (Section 57-8&9) I asked the Dept of Health what they currently ask for (in 2008) to back up a parent’s claim that a child was born in Hawaii. I was told that all they required was a proof of residence in Hawaii (e.g. a driver’s license [We know from interviews with her friends on Mercer Island in Washington State that Ann Dunham had acquired a driver’s license by the summer of 1961 at the age of 17] or telephone bill) and pre-natal (statement or report that a woman was pregnant) and post-natal (statement or report that a new-born baby has been examined) certification by a physician. On further enquiry, the employee that I spoke to informed me that the pre-natal and post-natal certifications had probably not been in force in the ‘60s. Even if they had been, there is and was no requirement for a physician or midwife to witness, state or report that the baby was born in Hawaii.

BC3. In 1961, if a person was born in Hawaii but not attended by a physician or midwife, then, up to the first birthday of the child, a “Delayed Certificate” could be filed, which required that “a summary statement of the evidence submitted in support of the acceptance for delayed filing or the alteration [of a file] shall be endorsed on the certificates”, which “evidence shall be kept in a special permanent file.” The statute provided that “the probative value of a ‘delayed’ or ‘altered’ certificate shall be determined by the judicial or administrative body or official before whom the certificate is offered as evidence.” (See Section 57- 9, 18, 19 & 20 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii which was in effect in 1961).”

[In other words, this form of vault birth certificate, the Delayed Certificate, required no more than a statement before a government bureaucrat by one of the parents or (the law does not seem to me clear on this) one of Barack Obama’s grandparents. If the latter is true, Ann Dunham did not have to be present for this statement or even in the country.]

BC4. If a child is born in Hawaii, for whom no physician or mid wife filed a certificate of live birth, and for whom no Delayed Certificate was filed before the first birthday, then a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth could be issued upon testimony of an adult (including the subject person [i.e. the birth child as an adult]) if the Office of the Lieutenant Governor was satisfied that a person was born in Hawaii, provided that the person had attained the age of one year. (See Section 57-40 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii which was in effect in 1961.) In 1955 the “secretary of the Territory” was in charge of this procedure. In 1960 it was transferred to the Office of the Lieutenant Governor (“the lieutenant governor, or his secretary, or such other person as he may designate or appoint from his office” §338-41 [in 1961]).

In 1982, the vital records law was amended to create a fifth kind of “original birth certificate”. Under Act 182 H.B. NO. 3016-82, “Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that the proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.” In this way “state policies and procedures” accommodate even “children born out of State” (this is the actual language of Act 182) with an “original birth certificate on record.” So it is even possible that the birth certificate referred to by Dr Fukino is of the kind specified in Act 182. This possibility cannot be dismissed because such a certificate certainly satisfies Dr Fukino’s statement that “I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.” If this is the case, Dr Fukino would have perpetrated so unusually disgusting a deception that I find it practically incredible (and I greatly doubt that anyone could be that shameless). On the other hand, if the original birth certificate is of types 2, 3, or 4, Dr Fukino’s statement would be only somewhat less deceptive and verbally tricky. I only bring up this possibility to show how cleverly hedged and “lawyered” and basically worthless Dr Fukino’s statement is.

Sections 57-8, 9, 18, 19, 20 & 40 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act explain why Barack Obama has refused to release the original vault birth certificate. If the original certificate were the standard BC1 type of birth certificate, he would have allowed its release and brought the controversy to a quick end.

But if the original certificate is of the other kinds, then Obama would have a very good reason not to release the vault birth certificate

. For if he did, then the tape recording of Obama’s Kenyan grandmother asserting that she was present at his birth in Kenya becomes far more important. As does the Kenyan ambassador’s assertion that Barack Obama was born in Kenya, as well as the sealing of all government and hospital records relevant to Obama by the Kenyan government. And the fact that though there are many witnesses to Ann Dunham’s presence on Oahu from Sept 1960 to Feb 1961, there are no witnesses to her being on Oahu from March 1961 to August 1962 when she returned from Seattle and the University of Washington. No Hawaiian physicians, nurses, or midwives have come forward with any recollection of Barack Obama’s birth.

Clearing the Smoke on Obama’s Eligibility: An Intelligence Investigator’s June 10 Report

Bottom line: It's becomming more and more likely that Obama is not eligible for President.

[_moksha]

Step back for a moment. Breathe. Put away your Obama hatred for a half a minute and think about this: why would anyone print two false birth announcements in small Hawaiian newspapers? What would be the point of that?

I think I know. This was part of a scheme hatched many years ago in the Kremlin to put a Kenyan Candidate in the White House, in order to boost America's image abroad and to enable health care for all Americans. This last action of helping others would turn us into socialists. Those Russki's were so sneaky. First they tried to rob us of our bodily essences and now this! It is high time that some Americans like Bcspace are now holding the Kremlin's feet of clay to the fire. Next they can brush some white glaze on the toenails and hold them in at an even higher temperature.

[_bcspace]

I think I know. This was part of a scheme hatched many years ago in the Kremlin to put a Kenyan Candidate in the White House,

That is certainly what left wing conspiracy theorists like to claim is going on. A tinfoil hat might help you with this problem moksha. moksha of course is not actually that bad. But moksha is a left-winger and thus has no answer for any of the facts on the ground and would like to direct attention away from anything that would expose his party and candidates as fraudulent.

So the question that neither moksha nor JSM nor any liberal in America have the guts to answer is, "How is this information incorrect?"

The fact of the matter is that the information in my previous post has been available since 2008. The Obama story about his birth concocted to hide this information is unraveling as there has now shown many more inconsistences related to Obama's actual date of birth and whereabouts.

Obama can't afford another problem because of his falling poll numbers which has caused his government run health plan to be shelved pending furtheer scrutiny. He certainly can't afford to have his actual birth records exposed as evidenced by his lawyers spending much time, effort, and money preventing their release. And of course his allies in the mainstream media are working overtime for the president they want to have sex with (remember THAT article?).