I absolutely love your sense of ribaldry and forthrightness! Clearly the Mormon apologists are on the ropes with this one. You cannot "thumb" something, but instead move the pages around so they "scrape" or "rustle". It is, beyond a doubt, one of the more desperate attempts to redefine a word I have witnessed on this forum!
Oh my. I probably should not indulge in a glass of Domaine Romanee-Conti and post on this forum, but the palate demands it.
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An Andechser Doppelbock Dunkel works very well, also.
I detest my loose style and my libertine sentiments. I thank God, who has removed from my eyes the veil... Adrian Beverland
I'm partial to Hacker-Pschorr Münchner Dunkel, myself.
Ah, nice choice. It's hard to go wrong with any Bavarian beers, really.
Hacker-Pschorr's "Animator" is one of my favorites. I don't want to get fat drinking all this great Bavarian beer, so when I can find the strong 7-8% beers, I am a happy camper.
I'm now working on Schwarzbraü's Bayerisch Hell. Quite delicious, too. I'm happy to find others who like this great beer.
Cheers!
I detest my loose style and my libertine sentiments. I thank God, who has removed from my eyes the veil... Adrian Beverland
gramps wrote:Hacker-Pschorr's "Animator" is one of my favorites. I don't want to get fat drinking all this great Bavarian beer, so when I can find the strong 7-8% beers, I am a happy camper.
I think about the weight as well - last weekend we were in Bernkastel-Kues and had a light kristall beer while there, Maisel's Weisse Kristall.
That and the Reisling helped make for a very nice and relaxing weekend on the Mosel.
gramps wrote:Hacker-Pschorr's "Animator" is one of my favorites. I don't want to get fat drinking all this great Bavarian beer, so when I can find the strong 7-8% beers, I am a happy camper.
I think about the weight as well - last weekend we were in Bernkastel-Kues and had a light kristall beer while there, Maisel's Weisse Kristall.
That and the Reisling helped make for a very nice and relaxing weekend on the Mosel.
Sounds great.
I just googled it to see where you were last weekend. Now, the Reisling makes sense.
I hope you had good weather. It has really sucked this summer. Let me know if you are ever in Bavaria, by the way.
I detest my loose style and my libertine sentiments. I thank God, who has removed from my eyes the veil... Adrian Beverland
Clearly when you thumb something that has pages you use your thumb, and strum the pages, as it were. You do not... I suppose... Move the pages around so they "rustle" or "scrap" one another. You thumb them. It is a very clear concept, Sir. I apologize for my peckishness, but your dissembling is bothersome.
So feeling something with the thumbs cannot ever indicate movement laterally? Are you being serious, or is this another silly attempt at ridiculing Dan Peterson?
gramps wrote:This is just getting more hilarious by the minute, it seems.
And yet you continue to make idiotic statements.
gramps wrote:Mak, get a grip. You are doing a horrible job here, but you won't care, will you? You'll just reassert that you're right.
Right?
You'd have to respond to my concerns before I would be required to reassert anything. At this point the ball is in your court and has been for quite some time. You've just burped up "Nu-uh!" over and over again.
maklelan wrote: So feeling something with the thumbs cannot ever indicate movement laterally? Are you being serious, or is this another silly attempt at ridiculing Dan Peterson?
So "feeling something with the thumbs" is the same as "thumbing through a book?" Are you being serious, or is this another instance at adding to the stereotype that apologists stretch the bounds of plausibility?
To use a favorite phrase of yours: what a joke.
God belief is for people who don't want to live life on the universe's terms.
beastie wrote: According to the LDS church’s official website, which I linked previously, Pratt collected eye-witness testimonies. The LDS church apparently views his description, based on collected statements, as reliable and accurate. Of course I understand why it is not possible for you to do so. If you accepted Pratt’s statement then it would automatically prove my point, which is that the descriptions of the plates are problematic and sometimes contradictory.
Your premise is not logical given the context of Emma’s statement. I don’t know how to state this any more simply and plainly. When English speakers refer to the rustling sound that pages of a book make when “thumbed”, they’re talking about flipping the pages, not sliding the pages against each other. Moreover, Emma specifically said they were of the thickness of thick paper – which means it could be folded.
This is what blows my mind. You really, genuinely think that I haven’t defended my assumptions well. You really, genuinely think you are justified in saying Emma didn’t mean the pages could be folded in a “flipping” manner, hence, the rustling sound and the thickness of thick paper, but instead just meant metal plates sliding against each other. You really, genuinely think that is a solid argument. It blows my mind.
by the way, if the rustling just describes metal plates sliding against each other, then the thickness question is entirely irrelevant – they can be as thick as needed and still make a sliding sound. So why insist that Pratt wasn’t correct? Does it have to do with the weight of the plates?
Here is the point: People will describe the process in various ways as they will the plates. But one thing is for sure, those 11 witnesses and emma had no doubts about what they were feeling and experiencing. How one remembers events has no bearing on the testimony of those involved.
Emma was a living and breathing woman. Most of what she said is lost in the wind of time. I am certain that the relief society women asked her many questions about the Book of Mormon and the plates. And she had to look them in the eye and explain what she saw. Likewise for the other witnesses. And they did not waver. But their words are lost in the wind of time.
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