Jason Bourne wrote:I agree with you if you say that the Church ran a series of annual deficits in the late 50s/early 60s over a few year period and it seems that this is the reason they stopped publishing financial information.
Jason Bourne wrote:An few years of annual deficits are no level of bankruptcy and the Church was no where near bankruptcy, not even close so even saying almost is simply not correct. During this period the Church remained quite solvent.
Annual deficients for several years = quite solvent?
If the church was "quite solvent", then the only other reason to close the books was so that the members wouldn't know that the poor decisions of the Brethren had led to those annual deficients. In other words, they closed to the books to cover their asses.
Either way, it's a coverup. And it's still covered up. So there's no reason to assume that the original conditions have been in any way changed.
And some people here wonder why I refuse to trust the Brethren?
(Nevo, Jan 23) And the Melchizedek Priesthood may not have been restored until the summer of 1830, several months after the organization of the Church.
Jersey Girl brought up an interesting topic on her thread about the LDS concept of the Celestial Kingdom. I would like to take a tact in a different direction.
Of the LDS members here, who believes that the only way to produce spirit children is through the conventional means of intercourse and giving birth?
This really seems to be the crux of why polygamy is an eternal law. It would make it easier to produce children if the male is moving from one female to the next.
Do you really think that creation of spirit bodies would have to be done in such an archaic fashion? Look at all of the ways medical science has been able to move the birth process forward with artificial insemination, etc. And we are mere "earth people".
Doesn't it seem logical that in the next life, we will have Godlike powers to control matter and create beings in ways we can't even fathom here?
And, if that is the case, the more evolved need for sex, which involves pair bonding, and emotional intimacy, might take more of a forefront as to what is most important?
(Note to Marg----Yes, I know you think this whole conversation and line of thinking is stupid...duly noted....don't even bother to comment).
liz3564 wrote:Jersey Girl brought up an interesting topic on her thread about the LDS concept of the Celestial Kingdom. I would like to take a tact in a different direction.
Of the LDS members here, who believes that the only way to produce spirit children is through the conventional means of intercourse and giving birth?
This really seems to be the crux of why polygamy is an eternal law. It would make it easier to produce children if the male is moving from one female to the next.
Do you really think that creation of spirit bodies would have to be done in such an archaic fashion? Look at all of the ways medical science has been able to move the birth process forward with artificial insemination, etc. And we are mere "earth people".
Doesn't it seem logical that in the next life, we will have Godlike powers to control matter and create beings in ways we can't even fathom here?
And, if that is the case, the more evolved need for sex, which involves pair bonding, and emotional intimacy, might take more of a forefront as to what is most important?
The LDS assumption that God create(s)(d) spirit children the same way men and women create children is insulting to God, in my opinion. And to us. We're talking billions and billions of spirit children. Surely God has a few more important things to do than boink 24/7.
Although that brings up another thought: is he still creating spirit children? If so... why? and if so... well, that explains a few things...
(Note to Marg----Yes, I know you think this whole conversation and line of thinking is stupid...duly noted....don't even bother to comment).
Okay, now THAT was funny!
(Nevo, Jan 23) And the Melchizedek Priesthood may not have been restored until the summer of 1830, several months after the organization of the Church.
Harmony wrote:The LDS assumption that God create(s)(d) spirit children the same way men and women create children is insulting to God, in my opinion.
That's just it. It's an "assumption". And we all know what happens when you "assume"......You make an ass out of u and me.
Is there any actual LDS documentation for this assumption?
No one talks about this anymore, just like no one will touch the subject of Christ's conception anymore. We have a bunch of doctrinal wimps for leaders who won't touch the unanswered questions left over from Brigham (who answered almost everything) nor are they interested in fixing the messes Brigham made (answering all those questions). Brigham didn't care if he looked like a fool; today, however, the PR dept makes sure that doesn't happen.
(Nevo, Jan 23) And the Melchizedek Priesthood may not have been restored until the summer of 1830, several months after the organization of the Church.
Harmony wrote:No one talks about this anymore, just like no one will touch the subject of Christ's conception anymore. We have a bunch of doctrinal wimps for leaders who won't touch the unanswered questions left over from Brigham (who answered almost everything) nor are they interested in fixing the messes Brigham made (answering all those questions). Brigham didn't care if he looked like a fool; today, however, the PR dept makes sure that doesn't happen.
Ahh...so good old Brigham discussed this in the JoD? Any idea where? I used to have a complete online copy of the JoD bookmarked on my old computer. I'll have to do some digging to find it again.
OMG, Harmony. It's just pointless to argue with you regarding prophets, authority, appealing to scripture, and so forth. You must think I'm a FOOL. So be it, I don't give a rat's rear what you think about the church just so long as you are willing to be my concubine in the hereafter -- and come running at my beckon call -- whenever I snap my finger. SNAP!
Considering how you feel about the LDS church these days I don't know how you could stand to walk through chapel doors. If I felt half the way you did I'd can the whole thing and move on.
Brigham Young wrote:"God has made His children like Himself to stand erect, and has endowed them with intelligence and power and dominion over all His works, and given them the same attributes which He himself possesses. He created man, as we create our children; for there is no other process of creation in heaven, on the earth, in the earth, or under the earth, or in all the eternities, that is, that were, or that ever will be." (Journal of Discourses 11:122-123).
(Bold emphasis mine)
This is just another example of why the JoD is not considered official LDS doctrine. LOL
Other than Brigham Young's comments, has anyone found anything in the scriptures specifically supporting this claim? I have not. Anyone else?
Paul wrote:If I felt half the way you did I'd can the whole thing and move on.
She has a family, Paul. The LDS Church makes it very difficult to "just walk away", and still keep amicable family relations.
Also, if you have read Harmony's posts in any depth, I think you will find that Harm really doesn't want to leave the religion. She disagrees with certain tenets and would like to see them changed. That doesn't have anything to do with her core belief in the gospel of Jesus Christ. I understand where she is coming from because I share many of her same concerns.
Other than Brigham Young's comments, has anyone found anything in the scriptures specifically supporting this claim? I have not. Anyone else?
There is no need to prove with the scriptures that God likes having sex. He and Heavenly Mother do their own thing. . . . I plan to have sex in the hereafter. Don't you? Having sex makes babies and that's what my resurrected body is going to do. How about you? I'm not letting my prized perfect-sized part go to waste!
