Did someone say horses?

[_Gazelam]

Tiktaalik,

How convenient that the branch of science that you actively question is the one which contradicts your religious worldview. On the other hand, the branch of science that "supports" it is uncritically paraded about.

I am obviously not a scientist. I am merely stating that I have repeatedly heard that the Book of Mormon is false due to a lack of horses in ancient America.

There is evidence that contradicts the "no horses" claim, and I am presenting it. I also have a hard time believing that the ancient americans ate that many horses, as Shades seems to be implying.

[_Paul Osborne]

I'm a mess. I can't get my jar of artichoke hearts open. Those darn lids are so tight.

Maybe I should say a prayer.

Paul O

[_Yoda]

I'm a mess. I can't get my jar of artichoke hearts open. Those darn lids are so tight.

Maybe I should say a prayer.

Paul O

Run the jar under some hot water. Then, use a towel, dry it off really well, and try opening it again.

Think of me as an answer to your prayer. LOL

[_EAllusion]

I don't know. Parents have a duty to be just in the rules they lay out. No one expects them to be perfect in that role, but if it goes too far, I think a teenager is perfectly justified in breaking the rules. Parents aren't dictators or property owners. They are guardians.

Secondarily, I think it is important that as a teenager gets older, they get gradually more and more autonomy in their decision making. It's not the only path, but it probably is the best one to fostering a smooth transition to responsible adulthood.

Gaz's views are pretty monstrous, but in this format he's getting an odd pride out of it. I'm not sure it is productive to even engage the matter.

[_EAllusion]

Tiktaalik,

How convenient that the branch of science that you actively question is the one which contradicts your religious worldview. On the other hand, the branch of science that "supports" it is uncritically paraded about.

I am obviously not a scientist. I am merely stating that I have repeatedly heard that the Book of Mormon is false due to a lack of horses in ancient America.

There is evidence that contradicts the "no horses" claim, and I am presenting it. I also have a hard time believing that the ancient americans ate that many horses, as Shades seems to be implying.

I think you misunderstand the criticism. People are aware there were horses in precolumbian America. It's just that the widely accepted view is they went extinct before Book of Mormon times. Therefore, their presence in the Book of Mormon text is anachronistic. The link you provided actually reinforces this view.

[Guest]

Are you daft or just intentionally obtuse?

Wait for it: wait for it: ...

"Both?"

Are you truly an idiot, Tiktaalik, or just cavalierly playing at being one?

Wait: Can you tweet this exchange for us? That would be awesome! LOL111



Go back to sleep now, My darlin'.

[_Gazelam]

EAllusion,

Gaz's views are pretty monstrous, but in this format he's getting an odd pride out of it. I'm not sure it is productive to even engage the matter.

Its monstrous to save my other children from an abusive sibling? And in what way am I getting pride out of this discussion?

[_Paul Osborne]

I got it Liz! I didn't have to use the warm water. I put the jar on the carpet Like I usually do and uttered a strong thought of desire as if I really needed this lid to come off. It popped right off very easy that time. I begged the heavens in my heart and it worked. If I was an evengelical, I would say, praise God. But I'm just a Mormon.

Sprinkled the plate with sour cream and oinion potato chips. YUM!



Paul O

[_Gadianton Plumber]

EAllusion,

Gaz's views are pretty monstrous, but in this format he's getting an odd pride out of it. I'm not sure it is productive to even engage the matter.

Its monstrous to save my other children from an abusive sibling? And in what way am I getting pride out of this discussion?

Who will save them from an abusive father?

[_Yoda]

I don't know. Parents have a duty to be just in the rules they lay out. No one expects them to be perfect in that role, but if it goes too far, I think a teenager is perfectly justified in breaking the rules. Parents aren't dictators or property owners. They are guardians.

Secondarily, I think it is important that as a teenager gets older, they get gradually more and more autonomy in their decision making. It's not the only path, but it probably is the best one to fostering a smooth transition to responsible adulthood.

Gaz's views are pretty monstrous, but in this format he's getting an odd pride out of it. I'm not sure it is productive to even engage the matter.

Actually, parents ARE property owners. No, we don't own our children, but we do own our homes, and we have a right to deem what type of activity we feel is appropriate to occur in our homes.

Also, sometimes, as a parent, you ARE a dictator. It's not an easy role....and normally your kids hate it...but...let's face it....When I tell my kid she has to have her homework done before going out on a school night, she has to have her homework done before going out on a school night. That is not up for debate.

I do agree that as a child gets older, he/she should gain more autonomy in his/her decision-making. However, this autonomy, or trust, is something that is earned.