Did someone say horses?

[_marg]

I believe Gaz has mentioned previously his sister is/was a drug addict. When someone is a drug addict it is a very difficult situation for family members. That person is no longer the person they once were, quite often they can no longer be trusted. The dynamics in their relationships change. I think it's very difficult for others to appreciate what it is like if they haven't experienced it themselves. While I have no one in my family into drugs, I've seen other people and the extremes they will go to for drugs even though they are hurting, ignoring, taking advantages of others including those close to them and breaking the law if necessary such as stealing money, taking a family car, pawning whatever they can to get a bit of money to buy more drugs. It's a very frustrating horrible situation.

[_cksalmon]

Tiktaalik posted a link showing what happens when folks live in a climate which allows religious nuts to have their way. Were people like Gaz ever allowed political power, men could drown their gay sons in the river without repercussion. Could Tik have used a better example? Maybe. But you go so far as to call Tik's link "improper ridicule" while declaring Gaz's disdainful statement that he would drown his own son merely "questionable"?

If you substitute "off target" for "improper," I think it might clear up what I intended by that comment. I was not attempting to suggest that Gaz's comments should be shielded from scrutiny and/or ridicule, generally.

When we used to talk, you would correct my sometimes poor grammar and punctuation. Usually I wasn't bothered by it and felt I could learn something while you enjoyed yourself nit-picking. Basically, that's what I thought you were doing with Tiktaalik. Just crankily nit-picking an argument you thought wasn't well constructed.

You're exactly right, here, KimberlyAnn. You know me well. (I would go so far as to substitute "churlishly" for "crankily.")

(Your grammar is excellent, by the way.)

I appreciated your humorous defense.

Basically, I zeroed in on an inconsequential, tangential element of Tiktaalik's post and stirred up a tempest in a teapot. It was rude and unnecessary.

I don't wish to be seen as defending Gaz's statements (as I wouldn't defend them), but rather as being, on occasion, an ill-natured, pedantic crank.

Chris

[_Paul Osborne]

After re-reading Gaz's comments about my sister, I think he's the one who deserves the gold medal for doling out improper ridicule.

Well, it certainly doesn't seem that Gaz is very Christian. The pure love of Christ is what makes a person a Christian. Some people have a little of it and some people have a lot of it. What can we do for Gaz? Not much, I'm afraid. He will have to work things out for himself. But let's keep things in perspective folks, some of the offensive stuff coming from Gaz is talk only. Doing the bad deeds is another story all together. And you know what they say, "Talk is cheap". It isn't like Gaz actually did those things. It's just talk -- although it's pretty bad, it's still just talk.

Let's cut Gaz some slack. That too is being Christian. Patience, love, longsuffering . . . .



Paul O

[_RockSlider]

KimberlyAnn;

nice avatar change, lucky kids ... they have a sweetheart for a mom.

[_marg]

Gaz’s direct comments to me about my little sister:

KA--My littlest sister is a lesbian. And still on the rolls of the Mormon church. She hasn't believed for a long time, but still, she's a member of record.

Gaz--Hopefully a good home teacher will come by and straighten her out.

KA--She lives with her partner, whom I adore, and who is an incredibly caring and generous woman.

Gaz--Which ones the manly one? Is your sister the listick or the diesel dyke? You know the kind, hefty in the rear with a mancut and a ring of keys dangling on the hip.

KA--You advocate the murder of my little sister, Gaz.

Gaz--That depends. Has she had a witness of the Spirit and acts the way she does anyway?

KA--You aren't Christlike. You are evil.

Gaz--Ever heard of Sodom and Gommorah? Place was full up with homos, Christ burned them all up. Be glad Im advocating a swift death and not a burning.

KA--You disgust me.

Gaz--You have a sister who owns a large collection of dildos and I disgust you?

I didn't read your post until after I posted previously K.A. What he said to you is disgusting. I can understand the situation with his sister to some extent but there is no excuse for the sort of comments he made to you about yours.

[_KimberlyAnn]

KimberlyAnn;

nice avatar change, lucky kids ... they have a sweetheart for a mom.

Thank you, RockSlider.

Thanks to you, too, Marg. :)

Gaz said those things a while ago. Maybe he's changed his mind, but I don't know.

KA

[_Gazelam]

First let me say I'm sorry for the things I said to Kim way back when. I had no business saying those things to you and I'm apologize.

I thought about this thread alot today, looking at why I feel the way I do about my sister and if I should asy such ugly things in regards to her. frankly I got myself very worked up over it and my wife was asking me what was wrong when I got home and if I had had a bad day at work.

My sister has led a life that has driven a literal Shermans march through my very "Leave it to Beaver" family. She is a black hole of Drama and misery, if none exists she creates it. She has nearly caused the divorce of my parents, who love each other dearly and are childhood sweethearts. I think it pointless to list the cars and homes, cosigned on or purchased by my parents, that she has lost or traded for drugs. Those are just things, and money and temporal worldly goods really don't matter in the long run.

Liz asked if I have any good memories of my sister to reflect upon. The answer is no. My earliest memories of her are of my chasing her with a money clip knife (about an inch long, which was taken from me afterwards by my parents) because of some grief she had caused me. It never got better. I have no love for her, my parents have grown to loathe her and only have contact themselves because of the grandkids. Her own children hate her and broke down crying when they were here for the summer and had to go home, not because they would miss my parents, but because they had to go back to hell. To a mother that smokes and drinks and does drugs, who caterwauls, who allows her children to watch slasher movies, who invites strangers into her home to live.

Want to know what would have happened if her life had ended 10 years ago? Her children wouldent have been molested, they wouldent have been exposed to the coutless horrors of everyday life in her house, the screaming and physical brutallity of their parents, they would have missed out on the drug dealers and the guns pointed at them, they would've missed out on their mom being raped and sodomized with a toilet plunger because of the $10,000 their dad stole from the drug lord. the kids wouldent have been locked out of the house to sleep on the driveway becasue mom wanted to smoke crack, they wouldent have watched mom trade the car grandpa bought so she could have more crack. Her kids would have grown up with grandma and grandpa, and been exposed to a Christlike culture of love and support and encouragement. But no, they got hell and pedophilia.

The only way I'm going to Illinois in regards to my sisters upcoming death will be to piss on her grave.

This is my final comment on this thread. I don't need to delve into these thoughts again, it brings a bad spirit into my home. Another special by-product of my sister.

[_Gazelam]

Sethbag,

She knows why you hate her and yet her behavior remains unchanged? That is one of the most narcissistic comments I've ever heard.

You don't get it.

She was raised in the same household I was. She had every privilige in the world. I grew up in the Beaver Cleaver household. A perfect childhood.

She knows when I look at her or think about her I view her through the window of everything we were taught as children. I view her through the example my parents were to us, and it eats her up inside because she knows shes in the wrong. Its written all over her face every time shes around.

You want narcissism? Try a daughter who survives on the money sent to her by her parents telling them to go to hell and stay out of her life when they ask her to stop destroying her life. Try a daughter who lives her life in such a way that her mother gets guns pointed at her by the drug lord come to collect his money when she stops by to take the grandkids out for ice cream.

[_RockSlider]

Gaz,

you've described my brother-in-law to a tee. My sister is also not far behind this discription .... what a waste, of a lot of peoples time/emotions.

There is nothing one can do to help them.

[_Paul Osborne]

Gazelam,

It's easy to love your friends and those who do well. But it's harder to love your enemies that do things you despise. Which of the two makes one a greater Christian?

Do you want to be Christian? Do you want to be forgiven of your sins? You can get rid of the bad spirit by forgiving your sister of all her bad deeds and love her as Jesus loves you.

Talking about pissing on her grave make Satan very happy. He wants you to keep hating her. So long as you do, your progession on this earth is stunted.

Paul O