Did someone say horses?

[_beastie]

Gaz,

At what age would you throw your homosexual child out of the home? Would you kick your 15 year old gay child out of the house?

[_truth dancer]

My interest in this story is how and why people can celebrate their hatred and cruelty.

In other words, I understand why parents can be angry, upset, depressed, saddened and filled with sorrow and disappointment by their children. I can understand how people can feel enormous anger toward their siblings. I understand the need for rigid boundaries, space, and even locked doors.

I've known this story up front and personal... my BIL has played the staring role as a cocaine addict; yeah, it was horrible.

What I don't get is the justification, joy, even pride and celebration of the hatred.

I don't think it is due to religion because Christ certainly didn't teach revenge, hatred, and cruelty. OTOH, it seems religion for some people is what they use to justify their hatred?

Christ was all about forgiveness, (seven times seventy), turning the other cheek, going the extra mile, judge not that ye be not judged, he who is without sin casting the first stone, he who does not forgive has the greater sin, etc. etc. etc. etc.

Yet, I continually see people hold hatred as some sort of Godly ideal.

I don't get it.

Most families I know who have had a drug addict member obviously struggle and have all sorts of anger and disappointment and sorrow but feel badly about it all. They feel badly about their family member as well as their feelings toward them. They want to free themselves from the ugly feelings that destroy their spirit; they want their child/sibling to heal; they want their family to have peace.

Then there are those who seem to revel in their cruelty and anticipated revenge toward their family member. They seem to almost enjoy their hatred. Why?

Just to be clear I am not referring specifically to Gaz... I have seen this same dynamic in several LDS families, (hating a gay child for example), and I am sure it happens in other non-LDS families as well just it is not in my personal experience.

[_twinkie]

fascinating.

[_KimberlyAnn]

This thread needs this song and video:

Conor Oberst/Bright Eyes: First Day of My Life

Now everyone watch it!

My girls and I like it lots. It's sort of our theme song. The lyrics go like this:

This is the first day of my life
Swear I was born right in the doorway
I went out in the rain, suddenly everything changed
They're spreading blankets on the beach

Yours was the first face that I saw
I think I was blind before I met you
I don't know where I am, I don't know where I've been
But I know where I want to go

So I thought I'd let you know
That these things take forever, I especially am slow
But I realized how I need you
And I wondered if I could come home

Remember the time you drove all night
Just to meet me in the morning?
And I thought it was strange, you said everything changed
You felt as if you just woke up

And you said
"This is the first day of my life
Glad I didn't die before I met you
Now I don't care, I could go anywhere with you
And I'd probably be happy"

So if you want to be with me
With these things there's no telling
We'll just have to wait and see
But I'd rather be working for a paycheck
Than waiting to win the lottery

Besides, maybe this time is different
I mean, I really think you like me




KA

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Hello,

I would like to see Ms. Jersey Girl denounce, unequivocally, Mr. Gaz's desire to kill his sister and displace a potential gay son or daughter.

Very Respectfully,

Doctor CamNC4Me

[_solomarineris]

How is God in any way responsible for her actions? God didn't make her that way, she just is.

Your prescribed god should be responsible from her, mine & from every human beings actions. It is not my fault wanting to have sex with beautiful women I see, it is not a homosexual's fault to gravitate same sex relationship. Homosexuality, Aids, Cancer, Love, serial-killing, coveting neighbor's wife was the invention of loving god. I was born with all attributes of good and bad. The potential was created by your god.

[_Always Thinking]

This thread needs this song and video:

Conor Oberst/Bright Eyes: First Day of My Life

Now everyone watch it!

My girls and I like it lots. It's sort of our theme song. The lyrics go like this:

This is the first day of my life
Swear I was born right in the doorway
I went out in the rain, suddenly everything changed
They're spreading blankets on the beach

Yours was the first face that I saw
I think I was blind before I met you
I don't know where I am, I don't know where I've been
But I know where I want to go

So I thought I'd let you know
That these things take forever, I especially am slow
But I realized how I need you
And I wondered if I could come home

Remember the time you drove all night
Just to meet me in the morning?
And I thought it was strange, you said everything changed
You felt as if you just woke up

And you said
"This is the first day of my life
Glad I didn't die before I met you
Now I don't care, I could go anywhere with you
And I'd probably be happy"

So if you want to be with me
With these things there's no telling
We'll just have to wait and see
But I'd rather be working for a paycheck
Than waiting to win the lottery

Besides, maybe this time is different
I mean, I really think you like me




KA

Great song, KA! Thanks!!

[_TAK]

fascinating.

Especially that few TBMs seem to disagree w/ Gaz to the point of saying so or chastising the bigot..

[_Jersey Girl]

I see that Ray is still spewing sensationlistic air headed libel on this thread. I'll be back.

I have to wonder why so many people are so willing to gulp down Ray's unsupported assertions without asking for references/quotes and such.

[_Gazelam]

Gaz,

At what age would you throw your homosexual child out of the home? Would you kick your 15 year old gay child out of the house?

If he was acting on those feeling, as in I catch him in the act? Yes