Did someone say horses?

[_Gazelam]

Dancer,

My interest in this story is how and why people can celebrate their hatred and cruelty.

Whos celebrating? I'm only stating that sometimes hard choices have to be made. that's not celebrating, its dealing with reality.

[_Jersey Girl]

Hello,

I would like to see Ms. Jersey Girl denounce, unequivocally, Mr. Gaz's desire to kill his sister and displace a potential gay son or daughter.

Very Respectfully,

Doctor CamNC4Me

Here are two actions you could take to meet your own request.

You could read my comments on this thread with regards to killing a sister.

And...

You could go back to one of the earlier pages of this thread, use the link that beastie supplied to a year old thread and read my comments on the topic of displacing a minor child.

If that seems like too much work, you can always make a quick and easy feast of Ray's lies, and just pretend he's telling the truth on this thread.

[_Paul Osborne]

If he was acting on those feeling, as in I catch him in the act? Yes

What religion are you, Gaz? The laws of the land protect your child. Will you break the laws of the land too? Your child could sue you for sending him out in the cold. You could be stripped of your temple recommend and hauled up before a church court.

Get rid of your hate!

Paul O

[_RockSlider]

oh, I see .... the OP really meant to label the thread "Did someone say beat that dead horse"

[_Jersey Girl]

oh, I see .... the OP really meant to label the thread "Did someone say beat that dead horse"

Ray chose to inject the derail on the very first page of this thread. Take it up with him, Rock.

[_Jersey Girl]

Gaz,

you've described my brother-in-law to a tee. My sister is also not far behind this discription .... what a waste, of a lot of peoples time/emotions.

There is nothing one can do to help them.

Gotta wonder why Ray didn't choose to criticize this post. Could it be that his sole purpose for re-entering the thread was identical to his purpose in entering the thread to begin with?

To screw with Gaz?

[_beastie]

If he was acting on those feeling, as in I catch him in the act? Yes

This is what I suspected, but I wanted to be sure we were talking about the same thing. I'm not talking about throwing an adult child out of the home. I understand that there are times when that action may be necessary. I'm talking about throwing a minor child out of the home - a child who has no means to care for him or herself. That child will be living on the streets and almost certainly forced to become a prostitute, and left vulnerable to the worst sort of predators.

Do you really think your God wouldn't hold you accountable for those consequences?

http://www.focusas.com/Runaways-WhyTeensRunAway.html

According to the National Runaway Switchboard, every day, between 1.3 and 2.8 million runaway and homeless youth live on the streets of America. One out of every seven children will run away before the age of 18.



Seventy-five percent of runaways who remain at large for two or more weeks will become involved in theft, drugs, or pornography, while one out of every three teens on the street will be lured into prostitution within 48 hours of leaving home. Gay or bisexual youth are even more likely to be involved in prostitution.



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325,000 children are reported as being sexually exploited in the United States annually. Of that figure, 121,911 ran away from home and 51,602 were thrown out of their homes by a parent or guardian.
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Among runaway and homeless youth, approximately 30% of shelter youth and 70% of street youth engaged in prostitution in order to meet their daily needs for food, shelter, drugs, etc.
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75% of children who are victims of commercial sexual exploitation are from middle-class backgrounds.
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40% of the girls who engaged in prostitution were sexually abused at home, as were 30% of the boys.

Other risks that runaways face are malnutrition, psychological disorders, HIV infection and other sexually transmitted diseases, unwanted pregnancies, drug and alcohol abuse, robbery, and sexual abuse and physical assault have all been found in high proportions among these young people. Major depression, conduct disorder, and posttraumatic stress are also higher among runaway youth.

Any God that would approve of you throwing a minor child into the streets left to face these abuses is a despicable creature worthy only of scorn, certainly not worthy of worship. And I do question the innate moral impulses of anyone who would find such a God worthy of worship.

And, by the way, you would be held legally liable for neglect. Human beings apparently have a higher standard of morality than your God.

[_Paul Osborne]

Do you really think your God wouldn't hold you accountable for those consequences?

Beastie,

If something happened to the child wherein he was hurt, Gaz might likely find himself under arrest and sitting in the county jail. He could loose his membership in the church. After getting out of jail he would be free to look for another religion that supports his wicked views. He would have no claim to the gift of the Holy Ghost.

There are a lot of LDS people that would oppose him in holding a calling in the Church and complain to the Stake President asking for action. I would hold my arm up and oppose him in holding a calling in the church.

Paul O

[_beastie]

Second question, Gaz:

If you caught your fifteen year old having heterosexual sex, would you throw him/her out of the house as well?

If not, why the different treatment?

Paul,

I really don't believe many LDS families I know would throw their child out of the house - but who knows, maybe I'm naïve. Maybe I would be surprised to hear the answer if directly asked.

[_Paul Osborne]

I really don't believe many LDS families I know would throw their child out of the house - but who knows, maybe I'm naïve. Maybe I would be surprised to hear the answer if directly asked.

You believe right. The vast majority of LDS people I've met during my lifetime are not governed by feelings of hate. The LDS church has made great strides in trying to understand same sex attraction and counsels the members to love those who have that condition. Gaz doesn't reflect the general attitude held by church members and certainly not that of the General Authorities. He is rebellious.

The Mormon God is a God of love. He is Christ! How much more love can you get than that?

Paul O