Why LDS Mormons are not Christian.

[_Yoda]

I have been confused about the claim that Mormons worship "a different Jesus". We worship the Jesus of the New Testament.....the Jesus who gave the Sermon on the Mount....the Jesus who died on the cross and was resurrected on the third day.

Is that not the fundamental Jesus that all Christians worship? If so, then how are we not Christian?

Also...Thews indicated that ALL Christian sects perceive Jesus Christ as God incarnate. I was not aware that all Christian sects perceived Jesus in this way.

Mormons do perceive Jesus as God the Father's son. They are separate beings, but one in purpose, and we worship and recognize Jesus as the God of this earth.

Is that the fundamental difference that Thews and GP are talking about here?

Do all the other Churches worship a Jesus that appeared in the Americas? That requires polygamy? That is more interested in the temple (old law) than in his own Atonement (new law)? The same Jesus that appeared to Joseph Smith standing next to the Father? That is the head of the LDS church and considers all others abominations? The same Jesus that will not accept you if his fallible prophet excommunicates you? Is the same Son of God that said no more additions shall be made to His word? Do they worship a Jesus who is the literal sibling of Satan? Do they know that Jesus is not eternal? He is not an infinite God? Just one of potentially trillions? Does the Mormon Jesus love unconditionally?

Do you really want to play this game, GP?

Do all other churches believe that you are eternally damned if you commit suicide?

Do all other churches believe that you will suffer insurmountable pain in stages of purgatory before finally being forgiven of your sins?

Do all other churches believe that if you are not baptized as a child, you will go to hell?

Do all other churches believe that hell is a place of fire and brimstone, and if you do not accept Christ, you will go there, and burn eternally?

These are all steadfast tenets of the Catholic church. I have quite a few friends who are Catholic. Most of them do not believe in all of these tenets. Does that make them un-Christian?

Everyone has a different personal perception of Christ. How does that personal perception make someone Christian, or not Christian?

[_Yoda]

I will also add here, GP, that you avoided answering my question.

Do you, like Thews, view Jesus as God Incarnate? Or do you view Him as the Son of God?

And, do you feel that this differentiation in perception is grounds for calling someone non-Christian?

[_Gadianton Plumber]

I will also add here, GP, that you avoided answering my question.

Do you, like Thews, view Jesus as God Incarnate? Or do you view Him as the Son of God?

And, do you feel that this differentiation in perception is grounds for calling someone non-Christian?

I do not believe in Jesus, but according to what I have seen in Christianity I have no idea.

What is the line when someone has added too much to Jesus before he is no longer the same Jesus?

[_Thama]

I do not believe in Jesus, but according to what I have seen in Christianity I have no idea.

What is the line when someone has added too much to Jesus before he is no longer the same Jesus?

Who gets to decide what is an addition, and what is the original idea? If we are to determine who is Christian by what those in the century likely believed, there would be no (or very, very few) Christians left on the planet.

If we are going to use similar allowances for inclusiveness in Christianity that we use in other major religions (perhaps with the exception of Islam), then there is essentially no degree of stretching that the founder/deity/object of worship cannot withstand and yet exist recognizably.

[_Jersey Girl]

Is the same Son of God that said no more additions shall be made to His word?

I need a ref for this. Are you talking about the Bible?

Give me a Bible ref for this. Chapter and Verse.

If you're claiming something else, please clarify.

[_Gadianton Plumber]

Is the same Son of God that said no more additions shall be made to His word?

I need a ref for this. Are you talking about the Bible?

Give me a Bible ref for this. Chapter and Verse.

If you're claiming something else, please clarify.

Revelations 22:18-19

I thought you loved me too much for a CFR. Hmmph

[_Jersey Girl]

Revelations 22:18-19

I thought you loved me too much for a CFR. Hmmph

Love ya enough to trap you in my web! I already knew what chapter/verse you'd use.

And you're wrong.

[_Jason Bourne]

Is the same Son of God that said no more additions shall be made to His word?

Revelations 22:18-19

Oh please! You are kidding GP right? I think you ought to give it up. You have been thoroughly thrashed on this topic.

[_Jersey Girl]

Here you go!

Here is Revelation 22:18-19 KJV

18For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

19And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

First of all, the Bible didn't exist when John received the Revelation.

Please notice:

18: The reference is to the prophecy. Not the Bible. Why?

The Bible didn't exist when John received the Revelation.

19: "the words of the book of this prophecy" is a reference to the Book of Revelation. The book that contains the prophecy. Not the Bible. Why?

The Bible didn't exist when John received the Revelation.

Consider yourself creamed by the Jersey Girl, GP.

:-D

[_Gadianton Plumber]

That is one way of interpreting it. A very mopologetic way, I might add.