ObamaDebt: Equals 90% of the nation's economic output (GDP)

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ObamaDebt: Equals 90% of the nation's economic output (GDP)

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CBO report: Debt will rise to 90% of GDP

President Obama's fiscal 2011 budget will generate nearly $10 trillion in cumulative budget deficits over the next 10 years, $1.2 trillion more than the administration projected, and raise the federal debt to 90 percent of the nation's economic output by 2020, the Congressional Budget Office reported Thursday.

In its 2011 budget, which the White House Office of Management and Budget (OMB) released Feb. 1, the administration projected a 10-year deficit total of $8.53 trillion. After looking it over, CBO said in its final analysis, released Thursday, that the president's budget would generate a combined $9.75 trillion in deficits over the next decade.


What was Obama's deficit in the first year? 3 or 5 times Bush's worst?

For countries with debt-to-GDP ratios "above 90 percent, median growth rates fall by 1 percent, and average growth falls considerably more," according to a recent research paper by economists Kenneth S. Rogoff of Harvard and Carmen M. Reinhart of the University of Maryland.


The economy rebounded when the Republicans forced Clinton to balanced the budget and for Bush's tax cuts. Obama is a dismal example of economic intelligence as all Socialists and Marxists are.
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The USA is in severe economic decline and will continue due to the foolish policies of our leaders. And not just Obama. 8 years of Bush and 6 years of republicans controlling congress resulted in disastrous policy as well.
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This is all Bush, period. A trillion on a stupid war and then he sat by while the housing bubble burst and the largest wave of white collar crime scampered off with all our money.

But hey, the new guy is black. Guess who we're gonna blame!?

Obama entered the office with the largest deficit in US history and an economy headed full speed into a depression.

Bush entered office with the biggest surplus ever for any first term President and he immediately blew on war games as he sat in his office and oversaw the slaughter of tens of thousands of innocents.
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The USA is in severe economic decline and will continue due to the foolish policies of our leaders. And not just Obama. 8 years of Bush and 6 years of republicans controlling congress resulted in disastrous policy as well.


Sure. There is blame to be spread all around. However, the Republicans simply stand around and let the Democrats spend except for the 90's Republican Congress which forced Clinton to balance the budget.

This is all Bush, period. A trillion on a stupid war and then he sat by while the housing bubble burst and the largest wave of white collar crime scampered off with all our money.


It's not like KG to repeat talking points, but for some reason living in Brazil seems to have addled his brains. I'd stop licking frog backs if I were you. The war was justified and it still could've been fought under budget by cutting unnescessary social programs. Even if not, it pales in comparison to the Democrats ambitious plans to loot the nation to pay off cronies and buy votes. Why, we just recently spent a trillion to do the former all in one year.

And speaking of white collar crime, let's not forget the one who's profits exceeds them all combined, George Soros, who funds the elections of the left wing mob that's running us into the ground right now with a bogus health care plan.

But hey, the new guy is black. Guess who we're gonna blame!?


Blame it on racism (most of which comes from the left) when everything goes wrong. The socialist is the one who should get the blame no matter what the skin color.
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Kevin Graham wrote: This is all Bush, period. A trillion on a stupid war and then he sat by while the housing bubble burst and the largest wave of white collar crime scampered off with all our money.

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Kevin, You are right about the Iraq war being a stupid war.


GOP Congressmen: Most Republicans Now Think Iraq War Was a Mistake

Posted by Chris Moody


In a Thursday panel at Cato on conservatism and war, U.S. Reps. Dana Rohrabacher (R-Calif.) Tom McClintock (R-Calif.) and John Duncan (R-Tenn.) revealed that the vast majority of GOP members of Congress now think it was wrong for the U.S. to invade Iraq in 2003.

The discussion was moderated by Grover Norquist, who asked the congressmen how many of their colleagues now think the war was a mistake.


Rohrabacher:

“I will say that the decision to go in, in retrospect, almost all of us think that was a horrible mistake. …Now that we know that it cost a trillion dollars, and all of these years, and all of these lives, and all of this blood… all I can say is everyone I know thinks it was a mistake to go in now.”


McClintock:

“I think everyone [in Congress] would agree that Iraq was a mistake.”



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All wars are stupid. But it is possible to be on a side that is justified and right about going to war which is the case for the US in the resumption of the Iraq war. But the issue at hand was cost, so far about a 20th of what Obama proposes in spending on needless and ineffective social programs which is obscene.
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Kevin Graham wrote:This is all Bush, period. A trillion on a stupid war and then he sat by while the housing bubble burst and the largest wave of white collar crime scampered off with all our money.

But hey, the new guy is black. Guess who we're gonna blame!?

Obama entered the office with the largest deficit in US history and an economy headed full speed into a depression.

Bush entered office with the biggest surplus ever for any first term President and he immediately blew on war games as he sat in his office and oversaw the slaughter of tens of thousands of innocents.


Yep Bush was pretty crappy too. But Obama's policies will continue to contribute to decline.
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Yep Bush was pretty crappy too. But Obama's policies will continue to contribute to decline.


He was. More liberal than conservative. But at least he preserved the status quo which is always better then any plan the Democrats have come up with.
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But hey, the new guy is black. Guess who we're gonna blame!?


Compete intellectual deterioration, and in such a short span of time.

See what walking away from the gospel and into apostasy, eyes wide shut, actually does to the mind?

Obama entered the office with the largest deficit in US history and an economy headed full speed into a depression.


Actually, no. Bush foolishly supported a 750 billion dollar bailout, and the economy was beginning a serious downturn (caused by several decades of easy money and credit, an inflationary economy based on debt and fiat money creation, and the precipitating factors, the bundling of countless billions in toxic, worthless paper by Freddie and Fannie into economic packages that were then dispersed throughout the economy like a virus. Behind this, of course, was the impetus and legal mandates of the CRA and a serious corruption of economic incentives among private sector financial institutions by primarily leftist politicians engaging in their usual social engineering, in this case trying to expand home ownership far beyond market realities), but Obama and his veto-proof Progressive congress than exploded this into a 12 trillion (and rising into the 14 plus range) dollar debt, none of which money actually exists, and all of which is our children's and children's children's future prosperity and economic independence destroyed and dispersed before it was ever created. There is no possibility of ever getting out from under this debt if it is followed through and the money actually created and spent. It is utterly unsustainable, and Bush had nothing whatever to do with it.

Bush entered office with the biggest surplus ever for any first term President and he immediately blew on war games as he sat in his office and oversaw the slaughter of tens of thousands of innocents.


I'm not even going to bother engaging a blind, raving intellectual hack like Graham on the Iraq war, which, like so many other subjects, is for him nothing more than another platitude on a MoveOn.org bumper sticker. Suffice it to say that many of the best minds in American political philosophy and politics the Iraq war was a necessary move in the overall global war on Islamism, and a very dangerous chessboard that needed to be cleared (after twelve years of war against Saddam before since the first conflict with his regime) in the Middle East against the background of the overall conflict.

Bush did not oversee the "slaughter of tens of thousands of innocents". Any innocents killed in Iraq were killed inadvertently (collateral damage), not by design, and our military took great pains (just as the Israelis do) to avoid such casualties. It was the Iraqi military that set up barracks and supply depots in schools and hospitals, not us.

Graham now joins John Kerry and Jane Fonda in the hallowed halls of anti-American fellow travelers with evil - any evil, so long as it can be used as a club with which to beat indigenous conservatives and Republican presidents.

(you may want to take a look at the other Obamacare thread in this forum, in which I you can see Graham and his usual source, Media Matters, exposed for what they both are in their little mendacious smear campaign against the Heritage Foundation, one of (perhaps the most) prestigious think tank in the country. Graham also won't give CATO the time of day, or the Von Mises Institute (a feast of the best scholars in the Austrian school and one of the best clearinghouses on the web for serious economic analysis) preferring his Soros funded propaganda hoppers instead).
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bcspace and droopy need to hold onto their nads, because this is going to hurt:


http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2009/11/ ... 9-deficit/

Don’t Blame Obama for Bush’s 2009 Deficit

Some critics are lambasting President Obama for record deficits. This is not a productive line of attack, largely because it puts the focus on the wrong variable. America’s fiscal problem is excessive government spending, and deficits are merely a symptom of that underlying disease. Moreover, if deficits are perceived as the problem, that means both spending restraint and higher taxes are solutions. The political class, needless to say, will choose the latter approach 99 percent of the time. A higher tax burden, however, simply means that debt-financed spending is replaced by tax-financed spending, which is akin to jumping out of the frying pan and into the fire, or vice-versa.

In addition to being theoretically misguided, critics sometimes blame Obama for things that are not his fault. Listening to a talk radio program yesterday, the host asserted that Obama tripled the budget deficit in his first year. This assertion is understandable, since the deficit jumped from about $450 billion in 2008 to $1.4 trillion in 2009. As this chart illustrates, with the Bush years in green, it appears as if Obama’s policies have led to an explosion of debt.

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But there is one rather important detail that makes a big difference. The chart is based on the assumption that the current administration should be blamed for the 2009 fiscal year. While this makes sense to a casual observer, it is largely untrue. The 2009 fiscal year began October 1, 2008, nearly four months before Obama took office. The budget for the entire fiscal year was largely set in place while Bush was in the White House. So if we update the chart to show the Bush fiscal years in green, we can see that Obama is partly right in claiming that he inherited a mess (though Obama actually deserves a small share of the blame for Bush’s last deficit since earlier this year he pushed through both an “omnibus” spending bill and the so-called stimulus bill that increased FY2009 spending).

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It should go without saying that this post is not an argument for Obama’s fiscal policy. The current President promised change, but he is continuing the wasteful and profligate policies of his big-spending predecessor. That is where critics should be focusing their attention.

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So there you have it, straight from Cato!

Now another thing I want to touch upon is the unemployment rate which we can completrely attribute to Bush. Unemployment rate change during first two years in office:

Republican: Gerald Ford, 5.1 up to 7.9
Democrat: Jimmy Carter, 7.5 down to 5.9
Republican: Reagan, 7.5 up to 10.4
Republican: George Bush, 5.4 up to 6.4 (reaching as high as 7.8)
Democrat: Bill Clinton, 7.3 down to 5.6 (averaging 3.9 in his last year)
Republican: GWB, 4.2 up to 5.8 (reaching 7.4 during his last month in office)
Democrat: Barack Obama, 8.2 - ?

Fact: Obama was left with the highest unemployment rate since 1992, when George Bush Sr. dumped a crappy economy on Clinton. And if you look at it on a graph you can clearly see the sharp trend skyrocket upwards over the previous year. Since April 2008 unemployment rates have increased monthly accordingly: 5.0, 5.4, 5.5, 5.8, 6.1, 6.2, 6.6, 6.9, 7.4, 7.7, 8.2 (<--Obama becomes President), 8.6, 8.9, 9.4, 9.7, 9.8, 10.1, 10.0, 10.0, 9.7.

The reason I focus on unemployment is because this is the reason Obama is still spending money: to try to slam the brakes on escalating unemployment rates. That is the whole strategy as he said from the outset - people can't spend money if they aren't working - and it seems to be working given the recent drop from 10.1 to 9.7. This is nothing to sneeze at, and in fact is a clear sign of a first step to economic recovery since the rate of increase is finally broken for the first time in 20 consecutive Bush months. I think it is rather impressive actually, if you consider he managed to stunt the escalating unemployment rate after only six months in office.

The fact is Obama is doing the right thing when he is putting economic growth first, which begins with jobs (which requires government stimulus, spending) and placing the deficit on the backburner as he should. Here is an article from June that discusses the error of focusing on a deficit during a recession: http://www.salon.com/tech/htww/2009/06/ ... /tech/htww
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