Allowing transexuals into the Mormon church?

[_Malcolm]

A baby born with both Male and Female genitalia is an Hermaphrodite.

Named after Hermaphroditus and Salmacis the offspring of the Greek Gods
Hermes and Aphrodite. These two, fell in love and became one unified body
being both male and female. Those Greeks were Crazy.!

[_Uncle Dale]

A baby born with both Male and Female genitalia is an Hermaphrodite.

Named after Hermaphroditus and Salmacis the offspring of the Greek Gods
Hermes and Aphrodite. These two, fell in love and became one unified body
being both male and female. Those Greeks were Crazy.!

A great rarity, I take it -- with only one occurrence in every several thousand live births.

And, if I understand correctly, such a person would not be allowed LDS baptism, even
if they were a faithful, repentant convert?

UD

[_xolotl]

A great rarity, I take it -- with only one occurrence in every several thousand live births.

And, if I understand correctly, such a person would not be allowed LDS baptism, even
if they were a faithful, repentant convert?

UD

I worked with a transsexual on my mission for some time. The way the church looks at this issue is -- was the individual fully aware, accountable and able to make the decision on their own? If yes then it's an issue and if not it really is not an issue.

Such an individual as you described would not keep them from being baptized. I do suspect, however, if at a later time in their life they chose to choose a definitive sex and underwent an operation he/she would become a questionable baptismal worthy candidate.

Depending on the circumstances the first presidency may have to give approval for the baptism as well. Honestly, what a sad account with the south Asian village.

[_Uncle Dale]

...what a sad account with the south Asian village.

I'm sure that the parents would have let the child live, if the medical recommendation
had been to preserve its male parts, and excise the female organs. I was not informed of
all that happened. It was spoken of in hushed terms in the village and other couples
were deathly afraid that "evil spirits" might curse their unborn children in a similar way.

Given the typical hostility to anything unusual in traditional societies, the child probably
would have had a short and terrible life anyway.

If the LDS Church ever expands to many millions more members, its leaders will be
faced with similar biological oddities in the future, no doubt.

UD

[_Polygamy-Porter]

Interesting reads from Uncle Dale and a few others...

I will be honest, I posted that pic while browsing the slamtoons at salamdersociety.com. I LOL when I saw it and decided to post just to have some fun.

I did not know that there were actual cases of humans born with both a penis and vagina. Up until today, I thought that transexuals were men who either took estrogen to grow breasts and/or had implants just so they could get other work in the porn/freak-show industry. Most of the "tranny" images that I have seen is just that, a male with breast implants.

I now know that there are real Hermaphrodites in the world.

[_xolotl]

If the LDS Church ever expands to many millions more members, its leaders will be
faced with similar biological oddities in the future, no doubt.

In other words if that ever occurs what significance would it have on the proclamation to the family and the views of the church regarding such issues. Personally, I doubt it will ever change. I would think there are certain lines the church would not cross. If the church's stance ever changes towards homosexuality I suspect that line will cease to exists.

[_Uncle Dale]

...
I now know that there are real Hermaphrodites in the world.

I am absolutely the last person in the world to consult on such matters. Other than what I
encountered in a remote Nepalese village, years ago, I am absolutely ignorant of the topic.

From what little I do know, it appears that a baby can be born with dual sexual organs, in
rare instances -- but that it is seldom a 50/50 situation. In one way or another, probably one
of the two inherent sexualities will prevail over the other, in that unfortunate person.

I am fairly confident that a person could be born with a brain and physical/mental/emotional
predisposition which does not match his/her birth certificate's declaration of gender.

I'm also fairly certain that such people (few that they are) would NOT seek out the LDS Church,
(with the hopes of being accepted and becoming one of its members).

More likely that such sexual "mixtures" would only be faced with pronouncements from the
Mormon priesthood, due to the misfortune of being born into a faithful LDS family.

Nobody seems willing/able to give a straight answer on what the Mormon leaders say
is "God's will" in such "mixture" cases. Because those leaders do not know -- obviously.

UD

[_moksha]

And, if I understand correctly, such a person would not be allowed LDS baptism, even
if they were a faithful, repentant convert?

UD

Perhaps some years back it would depend on whether it was Hugh B. Brown or Ezra T. Benson doing the baptism. Wonder if the same choice would exist between Dieter Uchtdorf and Boyd Packer?

[_Malcolm]

Following on from some of the comments about transexuals.

How about this bombshell?

"Mulattoes are like mules, they can't have children, but if they will be Eunuch for the Kingdom of Heaven's sake they may have a place in the
Temple". Brigham Young, recorded in the Minutes of the Quorum of The 12, December 3rd 1847.

So although members went to the Temple for sealing, and for blessings on their posterity. Poor Johnny No balls could possibly go through the Temple too?

[_Redefined]

Doesn't anybody watch Discovery Health?? They have these sorts of programs on all the time about people born with abnormal conditions.
Transexuals are those that choose to undergo gender reassignment surgery.
Hermaphidites are those who are born with both male and female parts (which varies in degree, sometimes the male genetalia is formed, but the child will have female organs as well, etc.) I think I've also heard the term "A-sexual" used as the name for this occurance.
Cross-dressers are those that don't have the reassignment surgery, and many don't desire the surgery, they just like to dress as a member of the opposite sex when they get the urge to do so.

I had a discussion with my TBM Dad, back when the prop 8 was going on. His position was that marriage was defined as a "man" and a "woman" and that homosexuals shouldn't be trying to redefine the word to suit them. I told him maybe they don't need to. . . maybe the loophole is to have gender reassignment surgery and legally change his/her gender in accordance and then he/she will be free to marry their gay partner, and not have to worry about the "technical terms" that people like my Dad want to hold over marriage.
And some of these doctors have done excellent jobs, where no one would know it that the person had been born the opposite sex then what they appear to be.