William Schryver - The Vulgar Scatologist of LDS Apologetics

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Re: William Schryver - The Vulgar Scatologist of LDS Apologetics

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In fact, I've recently reviewed the discussions he and I had on these two particular issues. Graham NEVER produces a single counter-argument except to suggest that I'm an idiot and don't know what I'm talking about. Absolutely hilarious!


Will always offes a quick reinvention of history to trick people into thinking he has a clue. But this is another lie. The fact is, Will, you came to this forum and opened up a thread and invited me to respond. I responded by offering you 7-8 solid arguments that are supported by a mountain of evidence and undermine your entire thesis. Instead of responding, you diverted.

Only after you fled the scene to tell your cohorts about your tales of victory in the discussion, did I decide to take off the gloves. Only after that time, when you first attacked me saying I'm upset because I mean nothing to the debate anymore, bla bla bla. The usual psycho-babble Bokovoy once tried to pull. The record is there for everyone to see, so who the hell do you think you're fooling besides yourself?

You have never responded to the arguments. Calling them non-arguments might seem more credible if you didn't have a history of running away every time they were presented. Why run from non arguments?
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Quick history lesson:
November 2007, viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3836&st=0&sk=t&sd=a
William:
I’ve started this thread for the express purpose of inviting people like Kevin Graham, Chris Smith, Brackite – and anyone else who is so inclined – to delineate to the best of their ability the arguments that they believe support the premise that the KEPA Mss. #2 and #3 (Metcalfe’s 1a/1b) are the simultaneously-produced transcripts of Joseph Smith’s original dictation of the first chapter and a half of the Book of Abraham.

Now I assumed Will was sincere in his request, and I thought it was the opportune moment to present him with 7 arguments Brian Hauglid refused to respond to before and after his FAIR presentation. I mean if Will is sincere, then he'd really want to know what the best arguments were for a dictated scenario, right? So I responded:
Kevin:
Will here is something I posted on the Book of Abraham forum, last year in October: (arguments 1-7)

Will responded:
Thanks for your efforts to compile these arguments together in one place...I appreciate what you have done so far. I look forward to your future posts.

Now instead of responding to these arguments, Will and Brian's modus operandi has been to figure out ways to dismiss them by focusing on newer proposals that are more apologetically promising. Once they manage to stretch the bounds of reason and conclude one is "plausible," they forward it as "cutting edge." Well, this is only "new" and "on the edge" in apologetic circles, because that is why they are designed in the first place. Will is still trying to explain how it is "plausible" people live on the moon, but the rest of us are content with the obviouss, most probable explanations that don't require the mental gymnastics of flubber.

In any event, Will continued to respond by trying to steer the discussion onto his assertions about Abr 1:12. He wanted us to "explain" numerous things for his benefit - apparently he wanted to use us to knock off the shaarp edges before he presents his smooth, shiny new present to Haugee.

Will:
how do you explain the strange discrepancy between the two manuscripts at Abraham 1:12 within the context of a dictation session? You talked about it briefly above. I understand your simple answer is that Parrish was writing faster than Williams. But how does that answer address the fact that the Williams document apparently shows an interlinear insertion of the words "I will refer you to the representation that is at the (commencement of this record." I have argued that this insertion was made after the subsequent paragraph had been written; that the parenthesis preceding "commencement" overlays the word "the" in the first sentence of the following paragraph: "It was made after the form ..."

Suffice it to say, Will didn't touch the seven counterarguments with a ten foot pole. It was almost as if he never even acknolwedged their existence. So the thread continued along the lines Will had planned. He came to the forum claiming he wanted us to present our best arguments for X, but he never intended to address them.

So shooting forward to the present, Will now asserts with emphasis, "Graham NEVER produces a single counter-argument." This, in stark contrast to Will of 2007 who thanked me for providing them.
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:Hello Mr. Droopy,

Oh my, I had to set my leather-bound copy of Minima Moralia: Reflections from Damaged Life down, and implore you to cease with your drunken shennanigans, Sir. I myself take up residence on occasion in a sort of "monastic" trailer situated in Paradise Cove of Malibu. I can certainly attest to the fact that although a trailer park it may be, by no means is it filled with the riffle of human slag you are so fond of denigrating.

Once again, I beg you good Sir to attend your Alcoholic Anonymous meetings again, repent to your god via your goodly Bishop, and post another public atonement on this board in order to repair the damage you have sown.

Good day to your, Sir.

Very Respectfully,

Doctor CamNC4Me



Dear Doctor:

My entire acquaintance with liquid substances destined for interior regions of my body now goes little beyond intemperate bouts of indulgence involving Barq's rootbeer, orange juice, filtered water, and Tampico.

May the Bluebird of Happiness barf on your bippy.

Your humble servant,

Droopy
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Droopy wrote:
My entire acquaintance with liquid substances destined for interior regions of by body now goes little beyond intemperate bouts of indulgence involving Barq's rootbeer, orange juice, filtered water, and Tampico.


.......interior regions of my body......
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Kevin Graham wrote:The fact is, Will, you came to this forum and opened up a thread and invited me to respond. I responded by offering you 7-8 solid arguments that are supported by a mountain of evidence and undermine your entire thesis.

Will, please show us where you responded to the 7 arguments Kevin presented?
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Classic "Cracker" Graham. Lots of talk of "refutation," but absolutely nothing in the way of actual arguments. In fact, I've recently reviewed the discussions he and I had on these two particular issues. Graham NEVER produces a single counter-argument except to suggest that I'm an idiot and don't know what I'm talking about. Absolutely hilarious!

Well, Mr. Cracker, you can blather on all you want, but on these two particular points, the facts are clear, and I'm afraid they're not in your favor.


Well, we can now add the use of racist epithets to Will's long list of accomplishments in defense of his particular brand of Christian faith.
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sethpayne wrote:
Classic "Cracker" Graham. Lots of talk of "refutation," but absolutely nothing in the way of actual arguments. In fact, I've recently reviewed the discussions he and I had on these two particular issues. Graham NEVER produces a single counter-argument except to suggest that I'm an idiot and don't know what I'm talking about. Absolutely hilarious!

Well, Mr. Cracker, you can blather on all you want, but on these two particular points, the facts are clear, and I'm afraid they're not in your favor.


Well, we can now add the use of racist epithets to Will's long list of accomplishments in defense of his particular brand of Christian faith.

lol!

Oh, Seth, please! I've vowed to refrain from excess laughter on the Sabbath.

Tell me, though, what is a "cracker?" Do you know?
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Well, we can now add the use of racist epithets to Will's long list of accomplishments in defense of his particular brand of Christian faith.


Is there a particular and virulent species of denseness that strikes liberals and apostate critics with particular acuity?

Kevin "Cracker" Graham...Graham Cracker.

Are you getting the drift yet Seth?

I think the imagery here of Kevin's intellect as dry, flaky and brittle works quite nicely.
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Is there a particular and virulent species of denseness that strikes liberals and apostate critics with particular acuity?


Am I a liberal or an apostate?

by the way.... how did your home teaching go this month? My families are doing quite well. Church services today were quite uplifting.

I think the imagery here of Kevin's intellect as dry, flaky and brittle works quite nicely.


Ah yes because your intellect is so clearly solid.
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Tell me, though, what is a "cracker?" Do you know?


Indeed I do. It is a racial slur on par with the word nigger, often used to describe white people.

I can also be a crunchy snack.

Your insensitivity knows no bounds.
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