lostindc wrote:Odds are, Utah will become like Louisville and suck after the first or second year in a major conference. The gimmick of this mid major will die out.
Yes. It's easy to go 10-1 or whatever every year in a weak conference. Stick Utah in the Big 12 (or the SEC where they'd be hardpressed to break .500!) for the football season and they're losing at least 3-4 more games a year. Not saying that those teams can't win in the BCS (like Boise St. did a few years ago), just that playing higher quality teams every week you're bound to lose a few more than if you have several cupcakes.
*Louisville really crapped the bed when their successful coach Petrino took a better job and the replacement (Kragthorpe) was hired without a real coaching search and ran the program into the ground the past 3-4 seasons.
Whatever appears to be against the Book of Mormon is going to be overturned at some time in the future. So we can be pretty open minded.-charity 3/7/07
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B23 wrote:While BYU's religious nature might be a detractor, the main point was to get the PAC-10 into the greater Salt Lake City television market (as was getting Colorado to get into the Denver market).
The reality is that Cal-Berkeley won't accept a religious school. It requires a unanimous vote to get accepted into the Pac-10 and Cal-Berkeley won't stand for it:
Since Orangebloods.com reported last Thursday that the Pac-10 was looking to add the Big 12 South (minus Baylor) and Colorado, legislators and lobbyists loyal to Baylor have launched an all-out effort in the Texas Legislature to ensure that Baylor remains with the rest of the Big 12 South if it were to move to the Pac-10.
That effort appears to have fallen short, because Colorado officials, who met Tuesday night, have agreed to accept a big to the Pac-10, according to multiple sources.
One top source close to the possible merger between the Pac-10 and six Big 12 schools said some schools in the Pac-10, including California-Berkeley, have a real issue with adding an institution with religious ties like Baylor to the conference.
When I was growing up in Southern California, we cheered for USC football and UCLA basketball. (My dad got one of his master's degrees from UCLA and the other master's and all of his PhD coursework from USC.) More recently, my dad has become partial to SC and written off UCLA.
My dad got his bachelor's from BYU, but back in those days you never heard anything about BYU unless they played a local team or were in a bowl game or tournament. So, I didn't pay much attention to BYU until I got to college. I'd never even heard of the U of U until I came to Provo.
I guess the Utes going to the Pac-10 just gives me another reason to cheer for USC.
The PAC-10 certainly wanted the SLC TV market, just as they wanted the Denver market. But I've heard BYU football is a bigger TV draw in SLC than Ute football. If you figure in the entire Wasatch front, BYU football is an even bigger TV market. The biggest issue with BYU is it is a religious institution and it is not a major research university. Most of the PAC-10 schools, if not all, are major research institutions with no religious ties. The PAC-10 is an academic conference as well as an athletic conference. The U is more of an academic fit than BYU. THe fact that the U football team has been so good lately makes it the obvious choice for the PAC-10 to get into the Utah market. I'm actually surprised the PAC-10 is expanding. They've had the same 10 schools since 1978, and before adding AZ and AZ State they were the PAC-8 forever. They've been a snooty clique for decades, then all of a sudden they invite 6 schools full of midwestern rednecks to join them.
Also, I agree that Utah going to the PAC-10 will really hurt BYU athletics if they stay in the MWC. What Mormon kid would want to play in the MWC when he could travel 50 miles north and play in the PAC-12? Utah will kill BYU in recruiting.
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lostindc wrote:Mid majors are typically something very taboo and must be avoided in major college sports, specifically football. Any team from the MWC is a mid major. Utah has been good since 2002-2003 season. Previous to that time they were never a major player on the football scene, not even worth discussing. Odds are, Utah will become like Louisville and suck after the first or second year in a major conference. The gimmick of this mid major will die out.
As for BYU...BYU is not that good, nor worth considering in the major markets. One Utah team is plenty enough for any BCS conference. Add religion into that and no mid major is acceptable.
Ok, I will admit to not being a huge football fan, and it's entirely possible that I'm speaking completely out of my butt on this one, but I started BYU in 1987, and that year BYU's football program friggin rocked. I recall right around that time they dominated some pretty major teams (like the previous season's #1 Miami) in highly-anticipated (at least in Utah) games. Will you please explain why you diss BYU's team from this time period?
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lostindc wrote:Mid majors are typically something very taboo and must be avoided in major college sports, specifically football. Any team from the MWC is a mid major. Utah has been good since 2002-2003 season. Previous to that time they were never a major player on the football scene, not even worth discussing. Odds are, Utah will become like Louisville and suck after the first or second year in a major conference. The gimmick of this mid major will die out.
As for BYU...BYU is not that good, nor worth considering in the major markets. One Utah team is plenty enough for any BCS conference. Add religion into that and no mid major is acceptable.
Actually, the more likely culprits to the PAC bypassing BYU are as follows: 1) BYU's lack of "research" status; and 2) the fact that the PAC was unlikely to get consent from Stanford and Cal (invites require unanimous consent amongst the members).
lostindc wrote:Mid majors are typically something very taboo and must be avoided in major college sports, specifically football. Any team from the MWC is a mid major. Utah has been good since 2002-2003 season. Previous to that time they were never a major player on the football scene, not even worth discussing. Odds are, Utah will become like Louisville and suck after the first or second year in a major conference. The gimmick of this mid major will die out.
As for BYU...BYU is not that good, nor worth considering in the major markets. One Utah team is plenty enough for any BCS conference. Add religion into that and no mid major is acceptable.
Ok, I will admit to not being a huge football fan, and it's entirely possible that I'm speaking completely out of my butt on this one, but I started BYU in 1987, and that year BYU's football program friggin rocked. I recall right around that time they dominated some pretty major teams (like the previous season's #1 Miami) in highly-anticipated (at least in Utah) games. Will you please explain why you diss BYU's team from this time period?
BYU football under LaVelle Edwards with Norm Chow running the offense dominated the WAC and MWC. They could compete with any major school. They beat a #1 Miami team. They should have made the move to a major conference back then. They won a natonal championship and had a heisman trophy winner. Mike Holmgren even coached under Edwards. BYU football hasn't been as good since LaVelle Edwards left.
"We have taken up arms in defense of our liberty, our property, our wives, and our children; we are determined to preserve them, or die." - Captain Moroni - 'Address to the Inhabitants of Canada' 1775
BYU football under LaVelle Edwards with Norm Chow running the offense dominated the WAC and MWC. They could compete with any major school. They beat a #1 Miami team. They should have made the move to a major conference back then. They won a natonal championship and had a heisman trophy winner. Mike Holmgren even coached under Edwards. BYU football hasn't been as good since LaVelle Edwards left.
I believe they are still a better team than allot give them credit for, they have a shot at the top 25 every year and such an advantage in that there team is basically a couple of years older than the field do to missionary service, plus the have the Tonga/Samoa connection.
How is BYU in women's sports? Do they dominate their conference?
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DarkHelmet wrote:BYU football under LaVelle Edwards with Norm Chow running the offense dominated the WAC and MWC. They could compete with any major school. They beat a #1 Miami team. They should have made the move to a major conference back then. They won a natonal championship and had a heisman trophy winner. Mike Holmgren even coached under Edwards. BYU football hasn't been as good since LaVelle Edwards left.
I hate BYU sports even more than I hate BYU, but LaVell Edwards was a class act. University sports departments are notoriously dickish, and I've always thought BYU's bad even by those low standards, but Edwards was cast from a completely different mold. What an extraordinarily decent human being.
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