Big Love

[_marg]

Of course an apologist might argue that the children that came to the family of a Kimball or Young ended up being more faithful and righteous then perhaps they would have in another family.

And probably future generations would be a more reliably loyal group to pick from for future leaders within the church.

[_moksha]

If you like Big Love, be sure to check out the book "The Lonely Polygamist".

The reviews of this book sound as though it will be the next great American novel. As such, it must be the best novel regarding polygamy to date.

[_Jason Bourne]

And probably future generations would be a more reliably loyal group to pick from for future leaders within the church.

And certainly that has held true. Spencer W. Kimball, LDS Church president and prophet from the mid 70s to mid 80s grandfather was Heber Kimball if I recall. Ezra Benson had a grandfather apostle if I am not mistaken. Joseph F. Smith was son of one of Hyrum's wives and his son Joseph Fielding Smith was from a polygamist household. Heber J. Grant was as well as George Albert Smith. I do not recall if Gordon Hinckley was descended from polygamists nor if Thomas Monson is. And these are just church presidents. There are many apostles and other GAs from polygamist families as well. This is one of the ace arguments apologists use to claim that polygamy met its purpose. And whether there was a God involved or not they are correct about that aspect.

[_harmony]

And certainly that has held true. Spencer W. Kimball, LDS Church president and prophet from the mid 70s to mid 80s grandfather was Heber Kimball if I recall. Ezra Benson had a grandfather apostle if I am not mistaken. Joseph F. Smith was son of one of Hyrum's wives and his son Joseph Fielding Smith was from a polygamist household. Heber J. Grant was as well as George Albert Smith. I do not recall if Gordon Hinckley was descended from polygamists nor if Thomas Monson is. And these are just church presidents. There are many apostles and other GAs from polygamist families as well. This is one of the ace arguments apologists use to claim that polygamy met its purpose. And whether there was a God involved or not they are correct about that aspect.

Those families are referred to as Mormon Royalty with good reason.

My husband has polygamy on his direct line in several families. None of them are Mormon Royalty though. They were just ordinary folks.

[_Droopy]

Too bad there's nothing remotely "Mormon" about the show or its subject matter, and that the characters in the show are not Mormons, because if this show really was Mormon related, it would indeed be interesting.

[_Darth J]

Too bad there's nothing remotely "Mormon" about the show or its subject matter, and that the characters in the show are not Mormons, because if this show really was Mormon related, it would indeed be interesting.

See? I told you.

Don't worry, Droopy. As a fellow member of the numerically largest but regressing in converts of the various sects that evolved from the Mormon movement started by Joseph Smith, I understand your angst.

[_Droopy]

But, you see Darth, they aren't Mormons, and most of them never were. There historical link to the Church is purely that: historical. They are not "sects" of Mormonism as there are "sects" of Protestantism. All sectarian Protestants are Protestants. The polygamous cults have a historical origin in an original founder or founders who were once Mormon, but they are not Mormons; they have no connection to the Church as the various sects of Protestantism are connected as a greater body of Protestant Christians within a "body of Christ".

They are non-members of the Church, and if members, would be excommunicated, were they to persist in their transgressions of God's laws. They are wholly outside the Mormon world, and in their own.

Your own tenuous and white knuckled grasp on that world comes through quite nicely in every post you make.

[_Darth J]

But, you see Darth, they aren't Mormons, and most of them never were. There historical link to the Church is purely that: historical. They are not "sects" of Mormonism as there are "sects" of Protestantism. All sectarian Protestants are Protestants. The polygamous cults have a historical origin in an original founder or founders who were once Mormon, but they are not Mormons; they have no connection to the Church as the various sects of Protestantism are connected as a greater body of Protestant Christians within a "body of Christ".

They are non-members of the Church, and if members, would be excommunicated, were they to persist in their sins. They are wholly outside the Mormon world, and in their own.

Here's the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office denying the LDS Church a trademark on the name "Mormon:"

Generic terms are by definition incapable of indicating a particular source of the services, and cannot be registered as trademarks; doing so “would grant the owner of the mark a monopoly, since a competitor could not describe his goods as what they are.” In re Merrill Lynch, 828 F.2d at 1569, 4 USPQ2d at 1142.

Generic Term Need Not be a Noun

A term need not be a noun to be generic. Miller Brewing Co. v G. Heileman Brewing Co., 561 F.2d 75, 80, 195 USPQ 281, 285 (7th Cir. 1977), cert. denied, 434 U.S. 1025, 196 USPQ 592 (1978) (LITE held generic for beer); In re Reckitt & Coleman, North America Inc., 18 USPQ2d 1389 (TTAB 1991) (PERMA PRESS held generic for soil and stain removers for use on permanent press products); TMEP §1209.01(c)(ii).

Applicant argues earnestly that the term “Mormon” is a not a religious service, but the source of religious services, thus performing the classic job of a service mark, which is to indicate the source of the applicant’s goods or services.

This argument is flat-out contrary to the above axiom, bolstered by case law, that the generic term need not be a noun. There are many varied types of churches, in the sense of a church being a facility erected for the primary purpose of providing a place for assembly and gathering for worship, for providing religious worship services. Mormonism is a specific religion. The Mormon Church, also known as “The Mormon Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints” and the “Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints” is a Church in the sense of “A specified Christian denomination.

The relevant public reading the term “Mormon” immediately knows that the article or news release or whatever is before them is about the Mormon religion, one of the Christian religions. The term “Mormon” is not a source of religious services, it is the generic term for a particular religion. One expects religions to provide religious services, it is what God or the founders had in mind for them. One expects to find a religious service in a house of religion. In a Mormon house of worship, one expects to find a Mormon Church religious service. The term “Mormon” locates the type of church, the religious affiliation of a worshipper at that church, indicates a certain organized philosophy and belief system. The term “Mormon” is an adjective directly indicating a religious group whose major reason for coming together is to worship publicly in a prescribed way.

Office Action, 11/01/2005

And here is a scholar in Mormon studies who knows more than you do about this issue:

I am a specialist and scholar in the academic field of Mormon Studies......

The FLDS Church is an institution that falls within the umbrella of Mormonism, a term which describes the Christian religious, cultural, and institutional tradition associated with the LDS Church, which was established by the Prophet Joseph Smith on April 6, 1830, at Fayette, New York. A Mormon is someone who believes that Joseph Smith was a Prophet and Seer of the Lord, and who also believes that the Book of Mormon is the word of God. The FLDS meet these criteria, and are therefore Mormons.

http://www.truthwillprevail.org/Legal/F ... _Emack.pdf

Your own tenuous and white knuckled grasp on that world comes through quite nicely in every post you make Johnny.

Your high school education and frothing inferiority complex come through quite nicely in every post you make, Droopy.

It must be difficult trying to sound knowledgeable about the legal system when tabloid TV about one murder trial is the extent of your familiarity with this field.

[_The Mighty Builder]

Dictionary Definition - Mormonism comprises the religious, institutional, and cultural elements of the early Latter Day Saint movement and its modern denominations deriving from the leadership of Brigham Young and/or the religious innovations introduced by founder Joseph Smith, Jr. in 1840s Nauvoo, Illinois

Best Definition - The Mormons are a Los Angeles based punk band, origin circa 1998, influenced by Devo, Minor Threat, Screeching Weasel, Bad Brains and Talking Heads.

[_why me]

Season two has been pretty bad. I see nothing but horniness so far and intrigue. It has very little to do with Mormon culture or habits. The show is mainly about a polygamous family who attempts to hide their polygamy from others. But it is certainly not Mormon. And of course, it attempts to draw in the crowds with a couple of bed kissing scenes. And of course, it is also about horny teenagers breaking the law of chasity to portray that it is normal to break the law of chasity.