KEP Dictation Argument: The Evidence

[_sock puppet]

But for years Will never hestitated to throw up "text critics" like Hauglid and Skousen as proof that his arguments were right. So long as he had "text critics" behind him, his arguments were supposed to carry some credibility.

So, having dismissed the pertinence of the expertise of his expert supporters, Will has left us with his skills as a computer programmer, which, evidently, give him results that everyone is expected to place more confidence in than the expertise behind all of the other computer word studies that have been done on the Book of Mormon. This should be interesting.

Kishkumen, Will likes to go it alone. He is, after all, the only one he can truly trust. It isn't even his computer skills that count. He's the Porter Rockwell of apologetics. And unlike Rockwell, Will wouldn't have botched the hit job on Gov Boggs that Joseph Smith sent Rockwell to do. This image captures it all:

[_Kishkumen]

Kishkumen, Will likes to go it alone. He is, after all, the only one he can truly trust. It isn't even his computer skills that count. He's the Porter Rockwell of apologetics. And unlike Rockwell, Will wouldn't have botched the hit job on Gov Boggs that Joseph Smith sent Rockwell to do. This image captures it all:

Will's bluster has me on the edge of becoming active again. If only I didn't find the experience a mixture of coma-inducing boredom and nauseating stupidity. Oh well, at least the hymns and the sacrament are OK.

[_Kevin Graham]

Will's computer skills??

ROFL!

This is the same goober who tried telling us that in order to bypass moderator restrictions on a forum, that all you had to do was unplug your router for ten minutes!!

This is the same goober who tried and failed miserably at creating his own website, eschatos.org. It consisted of a blank white page with a defunct hyperlink for about a year and he couldn't figure out how to link his own photos without closing off the entire photo folder to the public. I went in there and robbed several of his KEP photos and he couldn't figure out how to stop me so he just shut down his "website" altogether.

This is the same goober who after telling us he was an independent filmmaker, suddenly decided he'd tell everytone he was a professional software engineer. The only evidence for this is some anonymous poster claiming Will did some programming work for him twenty years ago. He's a college drop out with no formal training in the subject, which might explain why googling his name doesn't present any evidence whatsoever that he is a "software engineer."

[_Kishkumen]

This is the same goober who after telling us he was an independent filmmaker, suddenly decided he'd tell everytone he was a professional software engineer. The only evidence for this is some anonymous poster claiming Will did some programming work for him twenty years ago. He's a college drop out with no formal training in the subject, which might explain why googling his name doesn't present any evidence whatsoever that he is a "software engineer."

Frankly I don't care what he claims to be. I will happily give him the benefit of the doubt that he is a modestly successful programmer. Who cares? I'm not hiring him for a job involving that expertise. What I am considering is the likelihood that he brings something to the table that is unique, aside from his colorful personality, and that his results will objectively surpass other word studies.

Moreover, I am finding it extremely baffling that after all of the time he has spent discussing his special access to the manuscripts, and all of the occasions in which he has cited the implicit support of Skousen, Hauglid, and others on the matter of textual criticism, he now seeks to place emphasis on his contributions as a computer programmer, as if we had not all recently witnessed all of the song and dance surrounding the Jockers et al. study.

I am curious to see how this will turn out. I have yet to see anything encouraging, but I am happy to give him the benefit of the doubt, in spite of his putrescent online persona.

[_Kevin Graham]

Frankly I don't care what he claims to be. I will happily give him the benefit of the doubt that he is a modestly successful programmer. Who cares?

The point is he has a history of lying, even about what he does for a living. We were first told he was an independent filmmaker. But this was only when he was trying to lure people like Vogel and myself into doing interviews with him.

I've already said it wouldn't matter to me if he dug ditches for a living. But the fact is he is the one who places so much emphasis on "relevant expertise" on the matter. For years it was the expertise of text critics, and now he says it is computer programming? It seems more likely that a statistician like Calculus Crusader or perhaps Mathematicians like Tarski or Mortal Man, would be in a better position to judge is silly argument based on word counts. Not a computer programmer.

His tendency to divide data into charts is something he attributed to his background in programming, but this doesn't mean anything. Someone with such tendencies might just as well do the same thing with the Bible and conclude Nostradamus correctly predicted the coming of Hitler (and people already have!). But that doesn't mean the rest of us are unqualified to call BS on that one just because we're not programmers.

Will is merely adapting a "Bible Code" model to the KEP, which is a trick pulled by fundamentalists who couldn't deal with the lack of fulfilled prophecies from the Bible. They had to complicate the matter beyond recognition and say it is all encoded! By using that logic you caan essentially create any narrative you want from the Bible. Likewise, if Will's theory needs to have parallels to other Joseph Smith writings, he can pull whatever words he wants, labelling them accordingly (generic/substanial). It is a sleight of hand move by a programmer, but it is still sleight of hand.

[_WhatsInMyHat]

Put a pack of Marlboros, Busch(not Busch light), a Red bong, and a ponytail on the picture and you have the REAL Willbilly Schryver.

Really?

When did you last see me with "a pack of Marlboros, Busch(not Busch light), a Red bong, and a ponytail"?

c'mon willy, you can fool some of your supporters, but i know the "real" will. what i never understood, and don't unless you have truly repented and really believe in the Mormon church, was how you could drink, smoke, smoke weed, and talk of women like you did and still stress the importance of Mormon doctrine? the red bong on a back porch with the pool light lighting our night listening to good music is not fiction and you know it.

[The Stig]

Joseph Smith et al. (yes, "al." is an abbreviation for "alli", and should have a period after it)

Not only should it be followed by a period, but it should also be spelled correctly when it is not abbreviated: alii, from the Latin alius, which means "an other."

You mean as in how it was done here?

It would be one thing if you were both pedantic and correct, but it is really sad that you are pedantic and wrong.

For your further education:

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/alius

Next time you're going to be a prick, do a better job.

Or next time I'm in a major hurry, I'll endeavor to never make any typographical errors (thus adding to my long and well-established history of them). Heaven knows how typically atrocious my spelling and grammar are in comparison to the literary giants who post on this message board.

[_William Schryver]

Really?

When did you last see me with "a pack of Marlboros, Busch(not Busch light), a Red bong, and a ponytail"?

c'mon willy, you can fool some of your supporters, but i know the "real" will. what i never understood, and don't unless you have truly repented and really believe in the Mormon church, was how you could drink, smoke, smoke weed, and talk of women like you did and still stress the importance of Mormon doctrine? the red bong on a back porch with the pool light lighting our night listening to good music is not fiction and you know it.

In the first place, I have no supporters here. That much should be plainly obvious. I am a lone man standing on a wall whilst the mob below casts stones and arrows to their vicious heart's delight.

At any rate, I see now the tale has expanded, and yet you failed to answer my question: when did you last see me with "a pack of Marlboros, Busch(not Busch light), a Red bong, and a ponytail"?

And now that you've augmented the story with additional information, please describe how I would "talk of women." I'm especially interested in that little tidbit. So please feel free to share your apparently detailed recollections of these things. I look forward to it, and very much hope it entails something especially sensational--like sacrificing virgins on candlelit altars.

[_Runtu]

In the first place, I have no supporters here. That much should be plainly obvious. I am a lone man standing on a wall whilst the mob below casts stones and arrows to their vicious heart's delight.

I'm sure Nomad and Wade are thrilled that you consider them nonentities in their expressed support of you. Of course, one thing I like about you is that you don't just stand there while the mob throws stones; you pick up the stones and throw them right back, if you haven't, in fact, thrown the first stone. That's got to count for something.

At any rate, I see now the tale has expanded, and yet you failed to answer my question: when did you last see me with "a pack of Marlboros, Busch(not Busch light), a Red bong, and a ponytail"?

Maybe the post-FAIR party was wilder than I thought. ;-)

And now that you've augmented the story with additional information, please describe how I would "talk of women." I'm especially interested in that little tidbit. So please feel free to share your apparently detailed recollections of these things. I look forward to it, and very much hope it entails something especially sensational--like sacrificing virgins on candlelit altars.

Everyone knows how you talk to women, Will. Don't be coy; delight in it.

To steal from Jesse Pinkman, "It's all about accepting who you really are. I accept who I am. I'm the bad guy."

I accept who I am. You should try it.

[_William Schryver]

Runtu:

I accept who I am. You should try it.

I know who you are, and always have. It doesn't surprise me in the least that you have learned to accept it. You've never been to averse to settling for less as long as it ensured your safety within the constrictive bounds of your all-consuming fears.

I also know who I am, and always have. Whether or not I "learn to accept it" remains to be seen.

This much is certain: No man knows my history.