Is it healthy for a TBM spouse to "drop it" or "let it go?"

[_Aristotle Smith]

No, that's why I am leaving the church and joining another denomination.

Which one, if you don't mind me asking?

United Methodist Church (UMC)

[_Yahoo Bot]

Where exactly is the best proof of me "sing[ing] 'Praise to the Man'"? You've confused me for somebody else. I am here to comment on specific matters, not to beat anybody's drum.

I always think it best to trade unsubstantiated assumptions with more unsubstantiated assumptions.

So I guess you're going to cave and not back up your claim.

I'm not into hagiography, although I think Brigham Young was a helluva man.

[Anonymous]

United Methodist Church (UMC)

Being a Canadian, I wasn't really familiar with this so I just read up on it. Looks like a good one. You'll still be a teetotaler I guess ;) My great-grandfather was a Methodist minister, so I feel a certain connection to the tradition.

[_why me]

If someone asked me if I believe in the church I'M NOT GOING TO THINK, "BOY WHAT WOULD JOE DO." AND THEN LIE TO THEM. I would tell them the truth.

Maybe you and I should go have a court room debate to battle it out to the end, Mr. Yahoo. You have a law degree and I don't but I'm still willing to give it a try. I'll bring my copy of the Constitution and Amendments.

Thank you,

Zee.

I have a better idea. What not ask what would Peter do? And then lie to them. I like that better. Everyone lies...that is just a fact. Even Peter lied to save his own skin and he knew Christ and saw Christ do miracles. Go figure. Imagine if Joe did that? Human beings are human beings.

[_why me]

United Methodist Church (UMC)

Being a Canadian, I wasn't really familiar with this so I just read up on it. Looks like a good one. You'll still be a teetotaler I guess ;) My great-grandfather, the Reverend Rupert Otto Armstrong, was a Methodist minister, so I feel a certain connection to the tradition.

I wonder how the methodists treated the Indians. Not to good, I suppose.

[_Yahoo Bot]

I have a better idea. What not ask what would Peter do? And then lie to them. I like that better. Everyone lies...that is just a fact. Even Peter lied to save his own skin and he knew Christ and saw Christ do miracles. Go figure. Imagine if Joe did that? Human beings are human beings.

:highfive:

One of my favorite stories of Joseph F. Smith comes from the Reed Smoot hearings before the U.S. Senate.

The Senate lawyer asks him if he accepted the 1890 manifesto as a revelation. He said yes.

Does he consider it contrary to God's will to take on additional plural wives. He said yes.

Does he further consider it contrary to God's will to cohabit with plural wives after the manifesto. He said yes.

He was then asked to explain why it was he had children born to him from plural wives long after the manifesto.

He said, and of course I'm paraphrasing, that given the choice of defying God and abandoning his wives, he'd pick defying God.

[_Aristotle Smith]

So I guess you're going to cave and not back up your claim.

I'm not into hagiography, although I think Brigham Young was a helluva man.

The only claim I am retracting is my assumption that you sing along when your LDS congregation sings "Praise To The Man" (page 27 in the LDS hymnal). I can't prove that you do.

[_Aristotle Smith]

United Methodist Church (UMC)

Being a Canadian, I wasn't really familiar with this so I just read up on it. Looks like a good one. You'll still be a teetotaler I guess ;) My great-grandfather, the Reverend Rupert Otto Armstrong, was a Methodist minister, so I feel a certain connection to the tradition.

I'm diabetic so I would be abstaining from alcohol for health reasons anyway. Because of that, I never even looked into their position on alcohol.

[_Yahoo Bot]

I'm diabetic so I would be abstaining from alcohol for health reasons anyway. Because of that, I never even looked into their position on alcohol.

Well, try to ignore the fact that their founders had folks burned at the stake. But no matter. We love the Methodists in our town.

[_why me]

:highfive:

One of my favorite stories of Joseph F. Smith comes from the Reed Smoot hearings before the U.S. Senate.

The Senate lawyer asks him if he accepted the 1890 manifesto as a revelation. He said yes.

Does he consider it contrary to God's will to take on additional plural wives. He said yes.

Does he further consider it contrary to God's will to cohabit with plural wives after the manifesto. He said yes.

He was then asked to explain why it was he had children born to him from plural wives long after the manifesto.

He said, and of course I'm paraphrasing, that given the choice of defying God and abandoning his wives, he'd pick defying God.

It is rather tiring to read the double standard here. When good ol' joe did something wrong a lot of chicken littles go about yelling the sky is falling. But the apostles get a free ride. What is amazing is that when Jesus was put to death, none of the apostles could be seen accept john. Imagine what Jesus felt being abandoned by his chosen few. It took a short second coming to get the apostles back on board. Without that, they would have all drifted away, except for John.

We humans are fragile and imperfect. Joseph Smith was no different. But guys like zee, use it to justify their departure.