The Good, the Bad, and CleanFlix

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The Good, the Bad, and CleanFlix

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Friday night as I was waiting for a takeout order in a downtown Salt Lake sandwich shop, I read a fascinating article in the City Weekly paper about a UVU professor's dismay at prevailing attitudes in Utah toward "inappropriate" movies and, in particular, his disgust at the existence of movie-editing businesses, such as CleanFlix.

He wrote of how difficult it is to teach a class on media and communication when half of your class refuses to view the material you want to discuss. As an outsider to Mormon culture, he tried to understand his students' perspective, with predictable results:

I try and try, and fail and fail, to take their perspective. “So, what are you afraid is going to happen if you watch an R-rated movie?”

“Those images go in and you can’t get them out. It affects the way you think. It will desensitize you to the real thing.”

“The real thing?”

“Sex!”

“Do you all read romance novels and watch romantic movies?”

Oh, yes, they do!

“Does that desensitize you to romance?”

“It’s not the same thing!”


But, to argue about the reasons for fearing R-rated movies is to miss the point.

But the “death of the author” also implies that the meanings of words and images are in people, at the moment and in the context of their interpretation, while clean-movie editing is based on the idea that the meanings of words and images are in the symbols themselves, fixed and stable across time, context and audience members. Thus, some words are good—here, there, now and always—and some words are bad—here, there, now and always. That’s why they call them “bad words.” The theory is that certain words and images have bad meanings and create bad thoughts, regardless of their contexts. They must, otherwise, the whole enterprise, of allowing this word but excluding that word (yes to “Jesus,” but no to “penis”), would be entirely absurd!

Language codes (like Carlin’s famous list of the seven dirty words you can’t say on TV) don’t work because language doesn’t work that way. The meanings of words don’t stand still long enough for us to put them into boxes with their meanings affixed like postage stamps. When a would-be verbal prison guard attempts to lock up a word, he doesn’t touch its meaning. Put a word in a box and its meaning leaks right out. Can’t say “sex”? Let’s just call it “rock & roll.” Can’t say “sexy”? I’ll just say, “that girl over there, she’s got it.” Are they going to banish the word “it”?

Above all else, CleanFlicks presents an attempt to police sexual expression and desire organized around the “clean/dirty” dichotomy. But, the idea of “clean movies” and “dirty movies” is a fairy tale for children. It is as real as the Easter Bunny. There is no objective or moral science there. Words and images don’t have objective or scientific meanings. They have subjective, cultural meanings. They are contextual. People, with particular values, histories, vocabularies, patterns of cultural taste, etc., interpret them, in relation to a whole range of elements, inside the texts and out.


Language is a messy business, to be sure. Context is everything, and context is random, beyond our control. We invent these language codes to impose stability and order so we can sleep at night. A world where things mean what they say is quite comforting to a lot of people, and these codes of acceptable language and images contribute to that sense of well-being. But how strange is it that a religion as large and diverse as the LDS church would adopt the American film industry's rating system as an arbiter of acceptable images and language? The MPAA determines ratings by checking off a list of words, images, and actions--and then quantifying their occurrence in a film. Say the word "“F”" once, and it's a PG-13 film; say it again, and you're in R territory. And what distinguishes the bare-breasted woman in Oskar Schindler's bed from, say, the bare-breasted woman who literally pops into the frame of Airplane!?

In short, the codes themselves are random, subjective, and contextual, yet they give the illusion of hard-and-fast boundaries. And thus we remove meaning from where it is rightly created (within ourselves) and invest it in symbols. We effectively censor our ability to "read" and interpret by adopting the limits and biases of some other reader who has determined in advance what we should and should not experience. We surrender to the idea that words and images mean something fixed, with a stark line separating the good from the bad--we stay safe and clean by staying on the right side of the line.

Terry Eagleton suggested that Mormonism has evolved from a once-vibrant and revolutionary movement to one in which you aren't allowed to say "“F”." But it wasn't always that way. Early Mormonism seems rooted in possibilities: creating a Zion on earth, building the kingdom, redeeming the House of Israel. But the same impulse to impose order and structure on a random and often frightening universe drove the early Mormons just as much as the CleanFlix folks. Early Mormons sought for reassurance that what they did mattered, that there was some sort of cosmic significance in even the most mundane activities in frontier America. The Mormon community sought from the beginning to separate itself from the Gentile world; they set up cooperative economic and social structures and called for converts to gather to places of refuge from the world. Latter-day Saints were constructing their own dichotomies, seeking to establish something "fixed and stable across time, context, and audience."

In the 21st century, Mormons are far less separated from the rest of the world geographically or culturally, so these dichotomies become much more important for many as cultural markers that delineate the borders of what it is to be a Latter-day Saint. Not surprisingly, these markers almost always appear as dichotomies. Thus, Boyd Packer warns that we should not allow "inappropriate" thoughts to remain on the stage of our minds (they can be driven out with a hymn), and Thomas Monson insists that faith and doubt cannot exist in the same mind, thus "doubting, agnostic thoughts" must be banished from our thoughts. It is this same impulse that lumps together all "critics" of the LDS church, suggesting that the only difference between Ed Decker, Brent Metcalfe, and Chris Smith is tone--which of course is just masking the evil intent behind the smiling eyes.

But, like language, life is rarely lived within the black and white. Joseph Smith seems to have recognized this with his emphasis on a more situational and relative morality. But trying to live a black-and-white life not only causes us to miss the gray areas, but it also prevents us from seeing all the other colors of the spectrum.
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Re: The Good, the Bad, and CleanFlix

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When I first married my husband, he absolutely refused to watch rated R movies unless they were edited, so we had a CleanFlix membership.

They edited out the stupidest stuff.

We rented Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines. They edited out the scene where Kate Brewster is in bed with her fiance and gets an emergency call in the middle of the night to go to the veterinary clinic. When I say "in bed," I mean she was sleeping fully clothed in the same bed as her fiance, not that the film showed them doin' the deed.

So why did CleanFlix edit it out?

Because it showed a couple living together before marriage, of course. Apparently some Mormons can't even stand to hear that such shocking and outrageous behavior exists.

Later, when Kate Brewster is facing off against John Connor at the clinic, she asks him how much of "that stuff" (i. e. the bottle of medication in his hands) he took. He asks why and she replies, "Because that's the stuff we use to chemically neuter dogs."

CleanFlix removed that, too. Too much for delicate little Mormon ears.

There are all kind of problems with the idea of editing movies to make them appropriate for a sensitive religious subculture. But in CleanFlix's case, I humbly submit that the real problem with their edits is that they're just plain idiotic.
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Re: The Good, the Bad, and CleanFlix

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MsJack wrote:There are all kind of problems with the idea of editing movies to make them appropriate for a sensitive religious subculture. But in CleanFlix's case, I humbly submit that the real problem with their edits is that they're just plain idiotic.


You've illustrated my point perfectly: because the edits (and the definitions behind them) are subjective and random, they undermine the purpose of the edits to begin with. They are indeed idiotic because they are an attempt to fix meaning where it isn't.
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“Those images go in and you can’t get them out. It affects the way you think. It will desensitize you to the real thing.”


This is absolutely correct in the sense that some can handle it without ill effect and some (probably most) can't. Therefore, even though it's unstated, I believe it's like the WoW, adapted to the capacity of the weakest of all Saints. A blanket rule.

It's a good rule and far better than approaching it from the other side where one drives as close as one can to the abyss.

But, like language, life is rarely lived within the black and white. Joseph Smith seems to have recognized this with his emphasis on a more situational and relative morality. But trying to live a black-and-white life not only causes us to miss the gray areas, but it also prevents us from seeing all the other colors of the spectrum.


I have no desire to experience all the varieties of alcohol. I don't believe it would do me any good or enhance my education. And I think the same applies to movies or anything else. Now having said that, I am more nuanced than many LDS when it comes to movie watching and do take in some R movies. But they typically turn out to be the kind of movies that probably could have received a PG-13 rating when compared to others.

Would I apply the same rationalizations to alcohol? I dare not.

But in CleanFlix's case, I humbly submit that the real problem with their edits is that they're just plain idiotic


Well yes. I have seen some edited movies and would certainly have done it differently. But you can hardly complain. If I recall correctly, the local store was able to do a custom edit and I believe there are some DVD machine masking programs that are customizable. Otherwise, create your own company or do it yourself.
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bcspace wrote:This is absolutely correct in the sense that some can handle it without ill effect and some (probably most) can't. Therefore, even though it's unstated, I believe it's like the WoW, adapted to the capacity of the weakest of all Saints. A blanket rule.

It's a good rule and far better than approaching it from the other side where one drives as close as one can to the abyss.

I have no desire to experience all the varieties of alcohol. I don't believe it would do me any good or enhance my education. And I think the same applies to movies or anything else. Now having said that, I am more nuanced than many LDS when it comes to movie watching and do take in some R movies. But they typically turn out to be the kind of movies that probably could have received a PG-13 rating when compared to others.

Would I apply the same rationalizations to alcohol? I dare not.


You too have illustrated my point well. You see life in terms of boundaries and good/bad dichotomies (hence the excellent reference to the "edge" and "the abyss"). Alcohol is a good illustration; a lot of Mormons see it as an all-or-nothing proposition: take one drink and you're on the road to alcoholism. See a naked breast in a movie, and you'll become a porn addict.
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Since it is all so subjective, the best thing to do is censor as much as possible so you cover everything. The problem with doing that is you have people getting turned on while watching Marry Poppins.
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for what it's worth, I've used a "ClearPlay" DVD player for the last 6 years, and I've been very happy with it. The player allows you to play regular store-bought (or rented) DVDs, with a custom file loaded on the player. You can then specify several different categories of language, violence and sex that you want filtered out.

It usually does a really good job with the edits, but some movies get a little to chopped up. Last summer, we watched Top Gun, and that movie has a ton of swearing (and the infamous sex scene). There were just too many edits to enjoy the dang movie. It made my 13yo son really mad, and now he says the first thing he's going to do when he moves out is "watch Top Gun without the edits".


Interestingly, the 3-disc set of "Avatar" that comes out tomorrow includes a "family friendly" audio track that takes out the swearing. Turns out, James Cameron has some younger kids now, and they were running around the house repeating swear words after seeing the movie a few times, so his wife asked if he could do anything about it.

In the early days of DVD, this option was touted as a potential benefit to the format, but it never caught on. Maybe "Avatar" will be the start of a trend...
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I love the movie The Blues Brothers - and gladly paid to have it Clean-Flixed before they were run out of business so that I could let my kids watch it. Times, places and moderation in all things.
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And it should be noted that "CleanFlix" was put out of business years ago after it was sued by the Hollywood studios.
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cinepro wrote:And it should be noted that "CleanFlix" was put out of business years ago after it was sued by the Hollywood studios.


As was noted in the article, the owners reopened under the name "Flix Club," but that was shut down when they paid two 14-year-old girls for oral sex. When the place was raided, the police found a ton of porn videos in the back room.
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