Gun shooting in Arizona

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_Obiwan
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Re: Gun shooting in Arizona

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Quasimodo wrote:
Obiwan wrote:Hitler was big in "Unions" and the "workers"..... Do you know of any conservative that is so big into such??? Of course, such is a technique of facists to gain power, hence why socialists/communists/liberals/etc. use such to gain power. This is a liberal phenomenum and ideology, not a conservative one.


Hitler abolished trade unions and replaced them with a government run system shortly after taking power.

The Nazi's were the mortal enemies of the communists. Many German Communists ended up in concentration camps.

At the first opportunity, he attacked the Soviet Union.

Once again, your the only Conservative I know that's saying these things.


Do you even read "all" that I write??? Because, you are making statements and claims that I already addressed.

I've already said that sometimes brothers are enemies, that communists and socialists in their viying for power go at each other. That still doesn't change the fact that "ideologically" speaking socialism and communism are close relatives. Again, read the book "Liberal Facism" and learn.

I'm thus NOT the only conservative saying these things, you are just not paying attention to what I'm saying.

Yes, he did replace the unions, which is why he was also a "facist" and not simply a socialist. I was talking about his Mein Kampf and his efforts before taking power. The claim was made that Mein Kampf was a "conservative" book. I was debunking that claim, a common liberal lie.
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Obiwan wrote:
Do you even read "all" that I write??? Because, you are making statements and claims that I already addressed.


Yeah, I do. I'm just having a little trouble with the conclusions you're drawing.
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Kevin Graham wrote:
Uh, you're the one who insistuated that people become conservative after age 40, implying they the more they learn, the more they leave Liberalism. I simply debunked that piece of stupidity.


Mere assertion != debunked
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CFRs usually drive people like droopy and Obiwan to silence... oh well, I've had my fill of stupid this week.

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I live in America and I have to say, that a good portion of what this gentleman is saying is pretty true. . .unfortunately. At least, this is said to be true in much of the mid-west. As someone who lives in Indiana, I've observed a lot of conservative gun wielders who find it necessary to uphold their right at every moment to have a gun. I'm a firm believer in "guns don't kill people. people kill people." This can be said for this situation. This Loughner guy was nuts. What a darn, darn shame.
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AlwaysIntrigued wrote:I live in America and I have to say, that a good portion of what this gentleman is saying is pretty true. . .unfortunately. At least, this is said to be true in much of the mid-west. As someone who lives in Indiana, I've observed a lot of conservative gun wielders who find it necessary to uphold their right at every moment to have a gun. I'm a firm believer in "guns don't kill people. people kill people." This can be said for this situation. This Loughner guy was nuts. What a darn, darn shame.
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Wow Jennifer! I'm impressed with how quickly you jumped right into all this!
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Obiwan wrote:Nope, it's simply leftists who don't have "stable" brains and are willing to in an unjust way do so. Not that a conservative might not ever do so, but a conservative would do so when it's most really called for.


Wow! You're insane. Who deserves to be assassinated? Do you have a hit list?
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Obiwan wrote:
Yes it is.... Have you actually compared the Tea Party demonstrations with Liberal Demonstrations???
Liberalism is FULL of radicals and nuts, full of ignorant youth who are easily impressionable. Liberals fire bomb, commit violence, vandalism, etc. etc. You've almost NEVER seen a conservative doing these things.


Conservatism breeds ignorance. Liberalism is about using government programs to redistribute wealth and advance social causes. Anarchism is about chaos and the destruction of governments. These are not compatible ideals. You're a moron. Sorry, I don't mean any offense by that, but it's God's honest truth. You have my sympathy.

Obiwan wrote:

John Hinckley, Jr. (attempted Reagan assassination) was conservative


Hinckley WAS NOT a "conservative"..... He was a rich moma's boy who wrote home a lot for money, was mentally unstable having an obsession with Jody Foster from watching a movie about killing a president. He stalked Carter even.

Just because Hinckley's family was likely conservative doesn't mean he was. From all the evidence he was clearly nothing but just a nut.


He was a Reagan supporter. Yes, he was a nut. But he was also a right winger. Deal with it.

Obiwan wrote:

John Wilkes Booth was conservative


Booth also WAS NOT a conservative.... Republicans are conservatives and ALWAYS have been. Booth was highly against Linclon and Republicans, against the abolition of slavery, was against extending voting rights to slaves. He was also an "actor".

Just because the confederecy used a conservative issue such as "state rights" as it's main excuse for it's actions doesn't mean they were conservative in every other way. Slavery was not a conservative ideology. Booth also was anti-immigrant, and no conservative has ever been anti-immigrant. Anti-illegal immigration is not being anti-immigrant.



Sorry, Republicans have not always been conservative. MLK was a socialist who advocated reparations for blacks, but he was a Republican. Lincoln was a liberal for his day. In the 19th century, the Confederacy were the conservatives. That's a fact of history. That doesn't change simply because you don't like it.

Slavery was most definitely a conservative principal. It's tradition, it's Biblical. By definition, those wanting to maintain the status quo are conservative.


Obiwan wrote:

The man who assassinated MLK was most assuredly of the right wing.


We have no idea who 'really' killed King, thus you are just assuming. If it was James Earl Ray that killed him as most and the government investigators believe, Ray was a segregationist and racist who was a follower of George Wallace who was a DEMOCRATE. And since both John & Robert Kennedy were killed by leftists, there is no reason to assume king wasn't either since this was the case. King was a Republican and a conservative, thus no conservative would have killed him, even though he did have some liberal tendecy's. John and Robert would both be considered Bush conservatives today, and the same is for King. King for example was against Vietnam, and likewise there are conservatives today against the current wars such as Ron Paul & Alex Jones. King likely wouldn't have been considered a "mainstream" conservative such as these guys aren't, but he WAS a conservative and a Republican.

In conclusion, all three of your examples have been debunked. They were either individuals with no major ideology or more so clearly leftist than conservative.

Nice try.... but no cigar.

Again, another example of liberals perverting facts.....


MLK was a black socialist who wanted whites to pay reparations to blacks. Conservatives of the 60s hated all of those things. I'm sorry, but you're simply ignorant, and probably unstable as well. Please don't go assassinating anyone.
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Obiwan wrote:
I see you've fallen for the liberal lie that Nazi'ism was "right" rather than left as it actually was. :(
"Mein Kampf" is NOT "right wing"..... Another lie promoted by leftists.

Nazi'ism is the the NATIONAL SOCIALISTS party.....

Mein Kampf was written by Hitler when he was in Prison for trying to overthrow the German government. I don't know of ANY conservative nor conservative ideology that believes governments should be overthrown accept in "extreme" circumstances such as being under the rule of a facist dictator, do you???

Hitler was big in "Unions" and the "workers"..... Do you know of any conservative that is so big into such??? Of course, such is a technique of facists to gain power, hence why socialists/communists/liberals/etc. use such to gain power. This is a liberal phenomenum and ideology, not a conservative one.

Liberals believe in "Jewish conspiracy's".... Conservatives do not. Conservatives support the Jews and Israel, liberals do not.

It is true that this is a case in which brother ideology's have become enemies, i.e. communism & socialism, but that doesn't make Hitler actually conservative, he was a socialist facist, not a conservative.

I don't know of any conservatives who are or ever were "racist" as this book promotes, do you? Of course, I'm talking about actual racism, not the liberal bearing false witness propaganda which falsely paints conservatives as racist.

I don't know of any conservative that want's to eliminate the 10 Commandments from public consiousness, do you? But I certainly know plenty of liberals ones who do.

In conclusion, on multiple fronts and many more "Mein Kampf" cannot and is not to be considered a "conservative" book. You have willingly fallen for and are promoting liberal propaganda, rather than truth and fact. If you are a Mormon, you should be ashamed. If you are an anti-mormon, I'm not surprised, but it's just sad.


Again, you're irredeemably stupid. Fascism is a right wing movement, by definition.
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Re: Gun shooting in Arizona

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Obiwan wrote:
Buffalo wrote:
This is where I stopped reading. According to the Lord's anointed, the three enemies of the church are intellectuals, feminists and homosexuals. Mormons must therefore be anti-intellectual or out of harmony with God.

Sorry!


You are funny.... You quote "one or a couple of mentions" of such a statement as this AS IF such is "the Lords Annointed" and the general policy and views of the Church??? You must be an anti-mormon right???

Do you even know what was being "meant" when they threw in the word "intellectuals"???
He was talking about "liberal elitists" who go to college are anti-religion and think they are so wise, when they are anything but.

They weren't attacking intellectualism itself, they were attacking the perverted form of it. They were attacking those who are "learned and think they are wise". Sound familiar???

Learning is a fundamental precept of this Church. You not knowing that and trying to pervert our words from ONE PART of history as trying to mean something else, just shows your own lack of "wisdom". You are learned a little and have the gal to think you are wise. haa haa :(


Yes, intellectuals refer to the "liberal elite" because there are no more conservative intellectuals. You've chased them out of your klan.

I'm sorry you don't believe what the Lord's apostle revealed to you. Perhaps you should confess to your bishop?
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