24 And they shall go out and look at the dead bodies of the people who have rebelled against me; for their worm shall not die, their fire shall not be quenched, and they shall be an abhorrence to all flesh.
Dan 12:2
2Many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
Neither of those things are describing hell. They are indicative of theology evolving in that direction.
Doesn't it bother you that these doctrines evolved over time, just the same as any other man-made philosophy?
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.
Molok wrote:I would like to say that as someone living in the bowels of the Bible belt, the OP is very much indicative of most of the churches in my area.
It couldn't possibly just the loud minority? Anecdotal experience is hard to claim things like "most of the churches" unless some extensive research is done. So I ask.
love ya tons, stem
Love ya tons, Stem
I ain't nuttin'. don't get all worked up on account of me.
MsJack wrote:I'm glad you've conceded that the author of the graphic you endorsed in your OP was embarrassingly ignorant of Christianity. Better late than never.
Um, your OP is the subject of this thread. The fact that the author was laughably ignorant of modern-day Christianity is completely relevant.
I'm sorry, where have you shown this? I already responded to the one verse you cited. You never explained how Revelation 5:9 fits into your interpretation of what the Bible teaches. You certainly haven't demonstrated why your interpretation of what the Bible teaches is more valid than mine.
Again, you haven't show this. Furthermore, your OP wasn't a critique of the Bible, it was a critique of Christians and Christianity, which is what I've responded to.
Wait, wait, let me guess: atheists just can't be bothered to find out what the majority of Christians actually say on a given subject, right?
I'm glad you can acknowledge that most Christians are out of harmony with the Bible. And I'm afraid your "interpretations" (distortions) can't compete with the clear words of your savior on this subject.
"Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it."
Jesus said very few will be saved, and most will take the road that leads to destruction. Your God is going to torture billions of people for all eternity for failing to worship him. That sort of sadism and egotism doesn't bother you?
Hey Buffalo, your simplistic take on the Bible would make even the yahoos at the The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York blush. The even scarier part is you probably take the same fundamentalistic view towards science and are completely ignorant of the debates in philosophy of science regarding interpretation and method. If you are not ignorant of these debates, then it's quite frankly baffling that you think the Bible is an interpretation free document which discloses to you, Buffalo, it's clear truths with a simple reading.
Aristotle Smith wrote: Hey Buffalo, your simplistic take on the Bible would make even the yahoos at the The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York blush. The even scarier part is you probably take the same fundamentalistic view towards science and are completely ignorant of the debates in philosophy of science regarding interpretation and method. If you are not ignorant of these debates, then it's quite frankly baffling that you think the Bible is an interpretation free document which discloses to you, Buffalo, it's clear truths with a simple reading.
Actually, the yahoos at the WBTS are using tactics similar to MsJack - quote mine (sorry for stealing Simon's favorite term) the Bible for the doctrines that fit your world view, ignore or minimize the ones that don't fit your world view.
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.
Molok wrote:I would like to say that as someone living in the bowels of the Bible belt, the OP is very much indicative of most of the churches in my area.
It couldn't possibly just the loud minority? Anecdotal experience is hard to claim things like "most of the churches" unless some extensive research is done. So I ask.
love ya tons, stem
No, I just happen to live in a very fundamentalist leaning part of the country (the deep south).
Aristotle Smith wrote: Hey Buffalo, your simplistic take on the Bible would make even the yahoos at the The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York blush. The even scarier part is you probably take the same fundamentalistic view towards science and are completely ignorant of the debates in philosophy of science regarding interpretation and method. If you are not ignorant of these debates, then it's quite frankly baffling that you think the Bible is an interpretation free document which discloses to you, Buffalo, it's clear truths with a simple reading.
Actually, the yahoos at the WBTS are using tactics similar to MsJack - quote mine (sorry for stealing Simon's favorite term) the Bible for the doctrines that fit your world view, ignore or minimize the ones that don't fit your world view.
Really? What evidence do you have for this Buffalo?
I love how some people will dissect a de-motivational poster and point out everything they can find wrong with it. There should be a de-motivational poster about missing the point.
Eric wrote:I love how some people will dissect a de-motivational poster and point out everything they can find wrong with it. There should be a de-motivational poster about missing the point.
It would appear that our resident Christian defenders are just as silly in their knee-jerk defense mechanisms as our resident Mormon apologists.
That's religion for you.
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.