The LDS Church is destructive dangerous.

[_badseed]

Should have read more carefully be fore voting but I still think yes and no— and I voted both. I think there are parts of Mormonism that are destructive and cultish and parts that are not. Perhaps the same could be said of many other organizations (and people??)

For me the bad outweighed to good and it was time to leave. For others is may be a really great thing in spite of the dishonesty, authoritarianism, control tactics, etc.

[_EAllusion]

It appears you agree with me, then. That's what I've been saying. The others here disagree with you vehemently, or they did with me when i said it. We'll see.

If sex outside of marriage is so bad that it is better that you die fighting off a rape than not struggling, what do you think that says about sex people choose to have?

[_keithb]

All right, it's not usually my policy to be abusive to people on here, but I have to make an exception in this case.

THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT IT IS TEACHING YOU f*****g MORON! DON'T YOU KNOW HOW TO READ?

Sorry.

Don't apologize for your hostility and either lack of desire to express yourself properly or your inability to do so.

Of course its not exactly what it is teaching. But, rest assured, I hear the point in the quote, and disagree with you. I've explained my reasons in this thread. If you care to engage and discuss it. I'm game. Or you can get all hostile or whatever you wish to call it.

Does this video remind you of anything, Stemelbow?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKhEw7nD9C4

[_Runtu]

For me the bad outweighed to good and it was time to leave. For others is may be a really great thing in spite of the dishonesty, authoritarianism, control tactics, etc.

I could believe in Mormonism if the bad outweighed the good, I suppose. It would be a lot easier if any of the church's claims were not so problematic. But I guess that would eliminate the need for faith, so I'm screwed.

[_keithb]

Stem,

I am not sure why you always seem to be so flipant, childish, and completely unable to have a dialouge that has some value/meaning to it.
(I am left wondering why you are here?)

I'm not sure why you are categorizing my response to you as "flipant, chidish , and completely unable to have a dialog that has some value/meaning to it"? I asked you a question. You chose not to divulge too much but gave me a piece of your thoughts--which I thanked you for. I listened, well read, to your response, understand the issues involved and from my perspective realize the danger you describe doesn't really apply to me. You see the point of my initial question was to see what dangers or destructions I'm facing.

Against my better judgement, I attempted to answer your questions of me (perhaps I should have simply passed).
You may want to consider pausing, relecting, and/or at least considering what people type before responding as you do.

Thanks for the advice. I appreciate it.

An utter waste of opportunity and time, would you agree?

Peace,
Ceeboo

Not at all. I was hoping to see what people would tell me is destroying me, or damaging me, if they so felt the religion does/can damage and destroy. If they have essentially nothing that applies, then I take their opinion and note the positives, as in those that curb destruction and damage, for me far outweigh the negatives explained. I guess it wasn't so beneficial to you, but this thread was strictly for me. I wish to understand the perspectives better. I thanked you for your response, graciously. I'm not sure what else you had hoped to receive. I continue to search for those who do not wish to demonize stem too, but I fear your post doesn't provide much hope. I wonder why?

If you look really hard, you can see Stemelbow in this video. He's somewhere down in the crowd.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrzMhU_4m-g[/url]

[_MrStakhanovite]

I voted "kinda"

[_selek]

I don't know what to say. I too think that virtue is extremely important in life. I don't see a reason as to drastically claim its more important than life itself, but obviously some will and actually think that. But all the quotes you offer do not state it quite like you guys do. I don't know why and I don't care. but I can't defend their comments to those who aren't going to try to summarize them correctly to begin with. So I shall take your explanations and move on for now.

In other words, you just got your ass handed to you and you realized you are defending an indefensible position.

[_stemelbow]

If sex outside of marriage is so bad that it is better that you die fighting off a rape than not struggling, what do you think that says about sex people choose to have?

Not necessarily a lot. But I get your point. I do think it over stated, and I hate to even think on the subject of women or anyone having to go through rape.

[_stemelbow]

I could believe in Mormonism if the bad outweighed the good, I suppose. It would be a lot easier if any of the church's claims were not so problematic. But I guess that would eliminate the need for faith, so I'm screwed.

I am curious...I don't know if you'll want to answer me or not, if not, I don't mind. Anyway, by saying "any of the church's claims were not so problematic" are you suggesting that each claim made by the church is problematic?

[_stemelbow]

Should have read more carefully be fore voting but I still think yes and no— and I voted both. I think there are parts of Mormonism that are destructive and cultish and parts that are not. Perhaps the same could be said of many other organizations (and people??)

For me the bad outweighed to good and it was time to leave. For others is may be a really great thing in spite of the dishonesty, authoritarianism, control tactics, etc.

So I'm trying to read between the lines, feel free to berate me if I'm way off...would you then suggest that the destruction or danger with the religion has something to do with what you categorize as "dishonestly, authoritarianism, control tactics"? And what is included in the etc?