What lies did the Nauvoo Expositor print?

[_why me]

My point was simple: the LDS church has not been proven false.

Has the Catholic church been proven false?

No. It hasn't.

[Guest]

You are an Ass. Just because we are not talking about it does not mean we agree with what these people did, and your hypocrisy is very apparent to many of us who have lived and believed in the church. Something you know nothing about.

My point: no one cared if Mormon presses were destroyed. No one was arrested. No one bothered to punish the culprits. It was looked upon as a justified act.

Why the difference in treatment with Joseph Smith? Because bigotry and prejudice were present. And it was this that got him murdered.

[_why me]

Why Me: we can read what the anti-Mormon press said in reaction to all this. They were not calling for violence because of polyamory. They were angry because of the destruction of the press. The only public menace was one that Joseph Smith and the city council created by destroying the Expositor. The Expositor specifically denounced violence. The Warsaw Signal explicitly did call for violence, but it was not because of what the Expositor said. It was because of what Joseph Smith and those under him did to the Expositor press.
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I was referring to the what the community papers were printing about the Mormons in Nauvoo such as in Warsaw.

http://www.sidneyrigdon.com/dbroadhu/IL ... 4.htm#0103

As we can see by just reading this paper that the Mormons occupied much of it.

http://www.sidneyrigdon.com/dbroadhu/IL ... 4.htm#0821

[_why me]

From the newspaper in Warsaw about the destruction of the Expositor. Notice how they describe Joseph Smith. Why would we assume that the Expositor would not have done the same? Do we need to guess why he was murdered with such reporting circulating in neighboring newspapers?


NS No. 19. Warsaw, Illinois, June 19, 1844. Whole 136.



A d d r e s s.

At a meeting of the citizens of Warsaw, convened the 14th June, inst., the following address, reported by Thos. C. Sharp, Esq., was unanimously adopted, and ordered to be published in connexion with the Resolutions adopted by the Mass meeting at Carthage yesterday.

The following resolutions were adopted by a meeting of the citizens of Warsaw, on Wednesday last; and the same, as will be perceived by the proceedings that follow, were also adopted by the Mass meeting assembled at Carthage on the 13th. These Resolutions are of the strongest character and indicate a depth of feeling which can find vent only in revenge for the repeated insults and injuries which the citizens of this vicinity have endured; as well as for the recent outrage, in destroying by mob violence the press of the Nauvoo Expositor, a paper opposed to the interest of Joe Smith, and his miscreant band.

In presenting these Resolutions to the world, it seems necessary least our motives and conduct should be censured to submit to a candid public, a plain and unvarnished statement, of the situation, in which we are placed, by a combination of circumstances, against which, no prudence could guard us, and from which no thing but desperate means can rescue us.

The City Council of Nauvoo, have within the last two years, passed a series of ordinances, contrary to the spirit and intent of their Charter, which were intended as they avowed, to screen the adherents of the Prophet, as also the Prophet himself, from arrest, by the state authorities, and to liberate them from custody whenever they should be so arrested. Repeated attempts have been made to arrest Smith, but he has been entirely screened from the officers of Justice, by the aid of the Municipal Court, which is the tool and echo of himself. Our state authorities have not seen proper heretofore, to call out force sufficient, to put the law in execution. Having repeatedly set all law at defiance, both in his own case, as well as that of his favorites, with impunity, he has grown more daring and recently, we behold him giving shelter and protection to a criminal. who had offended against the laws of the U. S., rescuing him from the custody of officers and refusing to surrender him, until the Executive had given the minister of the Law, plenary power, to call in the aid of the military.

The high-handed measures of this self-constituted despot, raised even within his own dominion, a powerful opposition. The honest and respectable of his followers became alarmed at the usurpation and tyranny, daily practiced in the city. They protested against his high-handed measures; but they were only heard to be insulted, and spurned with contempt. Finding reformation impossible they manfully came out, and avowed their determination to resist, and subvert his power. To that end they procured a press and printing materials, that they might have an organ through which to speak.

The prophet finding that his villainies and usurpations were about to be exposed in their naked deformity, and seeing the impossibility of sustaining himself with his powerful an engine as a Press located in the midst of his followers, leveled at his villainies and usurpations, determine on its destruction. He called together the City council, and without shadow of authority and in the teeth of the Constitution of this State, and of the U. States, ordered the destruction of the press and printing materials. This order was promptly obeyed by the Marshall of the city aided by a mob.

But content with this violence within the borders of the city, the brother of this miscreant, publicly threatened the press and material of the Warsaw Signal and the life of its Editor. Having had the audacity to commit one of the most daring outrages ever perpetrated in a free country, here is reason to expect that if opportunity presents itself, the threats against us, will be fulfilled. Nevertheless we fear nothing. We "defy his power and scorn his wealth." The outrages committed by this same villain and his band in Missouri show him to be a devil capable of any deed, however black or damnable, if thereby he can rid himself of his enemies.

http://www.sidneyrigdon.com/dbroadhu/IL/sign184x.htm

[_Darth J]

Why Me:

Every single thing you provided above shows that it was Joseph Smith's abuse of governmental power that angered everyone.

You're still unwittingly proving the point against which you are arguing.

[_why me]

Darth...let me clue you in....come close to the computer...I want to whisper something in your ear...are you ready.....The newspaper was biased. Look at the language used to described Joseph Smith and how they reported the news. They have no clue what was going on in Nauvoo and why. Nor do they care. Their concern is one concern: to disparage Joseph Smith and rile the people against the Mormons.

[_Darth J]

Darth...let me clue you in....come close to the computer...I want to whisper something in your ear...are you ready.....The newspaper was biased. Look at the language used to described Joseph Smith and how they reported the news. They have no clue what was going on in Nauvoo and why. Nor do they care. Their concern is one concern: to disparage Joseph Smith and rile the people against the Mormons.

Why Me....let me clue you in....this has nothing to do with whether the Expositor printed any lies. It also does nothing to prove your circular argument that the Expositor had to be destroyed because its continuation would put the Mormons in danger, when the historical fact is that the Expositor's destruction is what put the Mormons in danger.

Also, in those days, it was a given that newspapers were biased. At that time, papers were expected to be advocates, not merely dispassionate reporters of objective fact.

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Let me give you another clue....since you think computers can talk.....it is very obvious that you are just flailing around trying to "save Joseph", as Sock Puppet puts it. Not only do you not have any coherent point, you are flagrantly contradicting yourself. Here is what you said on page 15 of this thread:

The early saints were not living in a bubble. I am sure that the Warsaw Gazette was printing articles about polygamy and Joseph Smith, and the saints were free to read that paper.

Now here is what you just barely said:

The newspaper was biased. Look at the language used to described Joseph Smith and how they reported the news. They have no clue what was going on in Nauvoo and why. Nor do they care.

So you can't quite decide if the Warsaw papers knew what was going on or not, and you also can't quite decide if Joseph Smith was justified in lying about polygamy to keep it secret so people's lives would be saved, or if this was something that everyone knew about, anyway. And if the Warsaw papers were printing stories about Joseph Smith and polygamy (for argument's sake, since you have produced no factual basis for that assertion), then the Expositor would be redundant and there would be no reason to shut down a paper as a "danger" for saying things that were already being said anyway.

[_why me]

Why Me....let me clue you in....this has nothing to do with whether the Expositor printed any lies. It also does nothing to prove your circular argument that the Expositor had to be destroyed because its continuation would put the Mormons in danger, when the historical fact is that the Expositor's destruction is what put the Mormons in danger.
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Darth, The warsaw paper was known among the saints. They knew what it was printing and the language it was using. I am sure that when it was discovered that Law was going to publish a like minded paper in their midst, there was fear in the community that the paper would be just another paper to stir hatred against them. And for Joseph Smith and the town council, knowing what the warsaw paper was printing and knowing what the missouri papers were printing could not tolerate another such paper in the heart of their community. Thus, the destruction. Now, Joseph Smith tried to make amends but it was rejected. Under the circumstances of what was happening in the other communities there was fear and this fear was acted upon. I don't think many Nauvoo people shed a tear about the nauvoo expositor and its destruction in Nauvoo.

[_why me]

Let me give you another clue....since you think computers can talk.....it is very obvious that you are just flailing around trying to "save Joseph", as Sock Puppet puts it. Not only do you not have any coherent point, you are flagrantly contradicting yourself. Here is what you said on page 15 of this thread:

The early saints were not living in a bubble. I am sure that the Warsaw Gazette was printing articles about polygamy and Joseph Smith, and the saints were free to read that paper.

Now here is what you just barely said:

The newspaper was biased. Look at the language used to described Joseph Smith and how they reported the news. They have no clue what was going on in Nauvoo and why. Nor do they care.

So you can't quite decide if the Warsaw papers knew what was going on or not, and you also can't quite decide if Joseph Smith was justified in lying about polygamy to keep it secret so people's lives would be saved, or if this was something that everyone knew about, anyway. And if the Warsaw papers were printing stories about Joseph Smith and polygamy (for argument's sake, since you have produced no factual basis for that assertion), then the Expositor would be redundant and there would be no reason to shut down a paper as a "danger" for saying things that were already being said anyway.

I see no contradiction at all. Both stand on their own merits. The warsaw paper pubished what they reported as outsiders. The nauvoo paper would publish their articles as insiders. Put both bias newspapers together and we have a very flamable situation for the Mormons in nauvoo.

[_sock puppet]

You are an Ass. Just because we are not talking about it does not mean we agree with what these people did, and your hypocrisy is very apparent to many of us who have lived and believed in the church. Something you know nothing about.

My point: no one cared if Mormon presses were destroyed. No one was arrested. No one bothered to punish the culprits. It was looked upon as a justified act.

Why the difference in treatment with Joseph Smith? Because bigotry and prejudice were present. And it was this that got him murdered.

You complain in one paragraph that no one was arrested for destroying Mormon presses in Missouri, but then declare it bigotry that Illinois people and officials would be outraged at JSJr ordering the destruction of the Nauvoo Expositor. Talk about bigotry. You speak as if the same people in Missouri that destroyed Mormon press there also those in Illinois outraged at the abuse of city government power. You paint them all with the broad brushstroke of being the same--that, sir, is bigotry.