I admire Joseph Smith.

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_Ceeboo
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Re: I admire Joseph Smith.

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why me wrote:
I think that you could be wrong in your above opinion.

Wrong about my opinion? That seems like an odd suggestion.
However, when one looks at his life without prejudice, one can not help but admire him because of his accomplishments.

Accomplishments have nothing to do with admiration, IMHO.
What is unfortunate is that American history has not appreciated his accomplishments in organization and in creating beautiful cities

American history does exactly what it does, tells the history. It is up to each of us to measure, consider, and evaluate if our admiration is to be extended.
not to mention in developing a revolutionary christian belief.

Developing a different Christian belief, to be sure, but "revolutionary? Not in my view.

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Fence Sitter wrote:
Is there anything about his behavior you find objectionable?


I don't consider him to be perfect. He could have handled polygamy differently with his wife. But I am not him, nor am I feeling pressured by the supernatural to practice polygamy.
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world.
Joseph Smith


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why me wrote:
Fence Sitter wrote:
Is there anything about his behavior you find objectionable?


I don't consider him to be perfect. He could have handled polygamy differently with his wife. But I am not him, nor am I feeling pressured by the supernatural to practice polygamy.


I assume you mean the dishonesty about polygamy.

Do you object to Joseph sending out missionaries and marrying THEIR wives behind their backs?
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I agree with everything said in the sources Nevo and Fence Sitter referenced. Though both Quinn and Brodie failed to mention stick pulling in their assessments of Smith's accomplishments.
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Blixa wrote:I agree with everything said in the sources Nevo and Fence Sitter referenced. Though both Quinn and Brodie failed to mention stick pulling in their assessments of Smith's accomplishments.



Oh sure throw out a teaser and leave us wanting more. I see how you work.
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Quinn and Brodie failed to mention stick pulling in their assessments of Smith's accomplishments.
It seemeth to me that loving one's best friend's wife would be an excellent way to avoid pulling a stick. Given that one is a sin; the other is not.

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Here are few more of the titles that I have found.

Secretary of War
Lieutenant General
Priest
Ruler
Vice Mayor
Registrar of Deeds
Member of the Board of Health
Head of the War Department
"Any over-ritualized religion since the dawn of time can make its priests say yes, we know, it is rotten, and hard luck, but just do as we say, keep at the ritual, stick it out, give us your money and you'll end up with the angels in heaven for evermore."
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Ceeboo wrote:Developing a different Christian belief, to be sure, but "revolutionary? Not in my view.

Peace,
Ceeboo


Well, lets look at it this way: You take the position that he was a fraud. As a fraudster, he wrote the Book of Mormon...the book of abraham, the pearl of great price, the king follett sermon, even more sermons etc. And within these books and sermons, he created a restorationist church.

In fact, he was one of america's greatest religious thinkers. And yet, he died at the tender age of 39.
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world.
Joseph Smith


We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…”
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I admire Joseph's Persuasive Abilities. Regardless of whether the events Joseph experienced were real or not, Joseph had a remarkable talent to be able to persuade people to believe what most people would consider totally absurd. Such as:

•Joseph was able to convince people to pay him to locate buried treasure by looking at a rock placed in his hat. Of course he never found any treasure.
•Joseph was able to convince Martin Harris that if he looked at the golden plates, God would strike him dead.
•Joseph was able to convince dozens of women that an angel with a sword threatened his life if he did not marry them all.
•Joseph was able to convince men, that bones they found in Illinois were those from a white, Lamanite warrior named Zelph.
•Joseph was able to convince many people that Egyptians scrolls were written by the hand of Abraham and that he could translate them.
•Joseph was able to convince his followers that a pile of rocks they stumbled upon in Missouri was once an alter built by Adam 6,000 years ago.
•Joseph was able to convince people that the bones buried in a mound in Kinderhook, Illinois were from an ancient Jaredite and that he could translate the plates found with him. (plates were later proven to be a forgery).
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why me wrote:And yet, he died at the tender age of 39.


Yes, the same "tender" age as Young Simon.
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