Did Obama write Dreams From My Father?

[_Joseph]

Who is your father? Why would Obama write about him?

[_Eric]

Because first Ayers was being what is known as a "ghost writer", thus there is no reason for his name to be on the book. Second, the book was about and to promote Obama, not about Ayers, that's why.

Having actually listened to the 1 hour+ long presentation on C-SPAN, the evidence being presented for Ayers being Obama's ghostwriter is:

1. Obama isn't a very good writer (according to Cashill).
2. Ayers is a good writer.

Seriously. Go listen to it for yourself.

One of the reasons for this whole point is the fact that Ayers was much closer to Obama than he told, thus he is an absolute LIAR. It's not simply that someone ghost wrote his book. Of course not that those of us in the know didn't already know that.

LOL! You are the gift that just keeps giving. Oh my...

The other issue brought out that he also wrote "fictional" things about Obama, which is another example of Obama lies.

Nope. Didn't happen. You don't know what you're talking about. I thought you were "in the know?" LOL

[_Obiwan]

Before readers take Obiwan's word for anything, they would be wise to remember who they are dealing with. Obiwan also once said that everyone that attempted to assassinate an American president was a "left-winger." LOL!

First, a couple of us PROOVED that basically all U.S. Presidential Assassins WERE in fact leftists, so stop lying. First we never said "all", and second the only one that doesn't fit wasn't even "right" politically active, he was just born that way. His entire history was primarily just a nut job, NOT political based or ideological based. Thus, we told the truth, and you can't handle the truth.

Basically ALL which is the only claim we made, of those who killed and attempted to kill U.S. Presidents were indeed leftists, anarchists, etc. Practically none were conservative, and were so in a very limited way. We demonstrated the facts, and YOUR only evidence of conservative assassination was entirely "weak" to none.

Thus, people shouldn't believe your words, for you are a liar and misrepresenter of the truth.

In conclusion all of the Assassins were either ideologically Leftist or they were simply crazy. Not a single one did it for "conservative" reasons.

Anyways, it's not clear that Bill Ayers even wrote his own memoir: http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/ ... emoir.html

Maybe so what? We are talking Obama's Memoir, not Ayers.

This is just more right-wing propaganda. I imagine that those commenting on this thread know very little about Bill Ayers, and even less about why they are supposed to hate him.

You clearly don't know what you are talking about. The guy who got this all going was a non-committed non-ideological DEMOCRATE..... not a right winger at all.

I would say YOU are the one who don't really know him, and if you do, then you have no REAL character and morality, and deserve to be marginalized.

[_Eric]

First, a couple of us PROOVED that basically all U.S. Presidential Assassins WERE in fact leftists, so stop lying.

Uh... No, you didn't PROOOOOVED anything. After your first concession, you stopped participating on that thread. We can continue it if you'd like. I've got plenty more.

I'm still waiting for a response: viewtopic.php?f=5&t=7199&view=next

First we never said "all",

Did someone hack your account and post this without you knowing:

every person that tried to kill an American President has been a leftist

In conclusion all of the Assassins were either ideologically Leftist or they were simply crazy. Not a single one did it for "conservative" reasons.

Then go to the thread and answer my post. I asked you about John Wilkes Booth.

You clearly don't know what you are talking about. The guy who got this all going was a non-committed non-ideological DEMOCRATE..... not a right winger at all.

Which DEMOCRAT got "all this" going? Please share. It doesn't sound like you even watched the video.

I would say YOU are the one who don't really know him, and if you do, then you have no REAL character and morality, and deserve to be marginalized.

I know much more about Ben Ayers and The Weathermen then you do, apparently. But go ahead, prove me wrong. Please explain the reasoning behind your contempt for Ayers.

[_Obiwan]

First we never said "all",

Did someone hack your account and post this without you knowing:

every person that tried to kill an American President has been a leftist

You go and blatantly do as all anti-mormons and liberals do, you take words out of context and LIE about things. You INTENTIONALLY OMIT the Word BEFORE "every person" in which I said either "Essentially" or "Basically". That does not mean "all" idiot.... Learn English!

You have been directly shown here to be a liar.

In conclusion all of the Assassins were either ideologically Leftist or they were simply crazy. Not a single one did it for "conservative" reasons.

Then go to the thread and answer my post. I asked you about John Wilkes Booth.

I answered you, you just ignored it. Having "one" conservative position doesn't make someone a conservative. Especially when Lincoln himself and Reagan are two of our MOST conservative of Presidents. What an idiot you are trying to claim a conservative killed a conservative.

You clearly don't know what you are talking about. The guy who got this all going was a non-committed non-ideological DEMOCRATE..... not a right winger at all.

Which DEMOCRAT got "all this" going? Please share. It doesn't sound like you even watched the video.

I haven't watched it yet (it's in the downloaded cue), but I'm talking about the guy who originally found out all this stuff from back when I listened to him on talk radio. I don't know if this guy in the video is the same guy. Did he say something different in the video? I'm guessing not, otherwise you would have said it. I'm guessing he didn't actually indicate his political affiliation, otherwise you would have pointed it out to me to get me.

I would say YOU are the one who don't really know him, and if you do, then you have no REAL character and morality, and deserve to be marginalized.

I know much more about Ben Ayers and The Weathermen then you do, apparently. But go ahead, prove me wrong. Please explain the reasoning behind your contempt for Ayers.

My contempt for Ayers and those like him are well documented out there, I don't need to reinvent the wheel for someone like you who isn't interested in the truth and can't even dicern good over evil.

[_Eric]

every person that tried to kill an American President has been a leftist

You go and blatantly do as all anti-Mormons and liberals do, you take words out of context and LIE about things. You INTENTIONALLY OMIT the Word BEFORE "every person" in which I said either "Essentially" or "Basically".

So what? Do you think the qualifier "basically" saves you from your own incoherent sentence? How about this one (from the same thread):

Not that a conservative might not ever do so, but a conservative would do so when it's most really called for.

In case readers are wondering (or are confused by the double negatives), the English Professor known here as "Obiwan" says that conservatives would only assassinate a president if it's "most really called for." Did I misquote you this time, too?

That does not mean "all" idiot.... Learn English!

This is deliciously ironic, coming from you. LOL.

You have been directly shown here to be a liar.

Sure... I lied because Obiwan thinks the word "basically" changes the meaning of his poorly written sentence.

In conclusion all of the Assassins were either ideologically Leftist or they were simply crazy. Not a single one did it for "conservative" reasons.

Then go to the thread and answer my post. I asked you about John Wilkes Booth.

I answered you, you just ignored it.

Should I freak out like you, and bang the hell out of my keyboard and type with all caps the word "LIAR?" Who was the last person to post on that thread, Obiwan? You or me? This should be an easy one for you... I already supplied a link.

Especially when Lincoln himself and Reagan are two of our MOST conservative of Presidents. What an idiot you are trying to claim a conservative killed a conservative.

Wait a minute... are you actually trying to say that because (you think) Lincoln was a conservative, his assassin by default was a so-called "leftist?" Is that what you're really saying? Please tell me it isn't...

I haven't watched it yet (it's in the downloaded cue), but I'm talking about the guy who originally found out all this stuff from back when I listened to him on talk radio.

The college drop-out drywaller from Nebraska? Cashill? Who are you talking about, and what makes you think he was a Democrat? How can you be so sure about his political affiliation when you don't even know who you are talking about?

I don't know if this guy in the video is the same guy. Did he say something different in the video?

He said:
1. Obama is a poor writer and could have never penned a "literary masterpiece" like DFMF.
2. Ayers could have written it. And since Ayers is already a left-wing villain for the reactionaries, the story makes great right-wing smut. (I added that last sentence, Cashill didn't really say that.)

I'm guessing not, otherwise you would have said it. I'm guessing he didn't actually indicate his political affiliation, otherwise you would have pointed it out to me to get me.

His political affiliation doesn't matter to me, I don't recall if he mentioned it or not. The argument is completely weak and based on innuendo and nonsensical speculation. At least from the video. If you have some better evidence, like the so-called "studies" that have been done that prove Ayers was Obama's ghostwriter, now is the time to present it.

Remember claiming that?: viewtopic.php?f=5&t=16378&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=105

My contempt for Ayers and those like him are well documented out there, I don't need to reinvent the wheel for someone like you who isn't interested in the truth and can't even dicern good over evil.

LOL! That's a pretty weak way to concede a point. Really, I'm interested. That's why I started commenting on this thread in the first place. Please, what's wrong with Ayers?

[_Milesius]

I hope Bell is wrong and there is a hell. That's where you belong Richard. Many of yor Americans are nuts about the way you go on.

You are a dumb arse.

[_moksha]

Have Jockers, et al, tried running an analysis of Obama's writing? Might turn out that he also penned a famous 19th Century manuscript as well.

[_Dr. Shades]

Have Jockers, et al, tried running an analysis of Obama's writing? Might turn out that he also penned a famous 19th Century manuscript as well.

Huh? I don't get it.

[_Eric]

Huh? I don't get it.

Obiwan claims that word pattern studies were performed on Obama's book that prove it was written by Bill Ayers.

It's strange, every time I actually take the time to look at the evidence for one of these right-wing conspiracy theories I'm thoroughly disappointed. Likewise, the conversation always seems to halt at that point. I expect such idiocy from Obiwan and bcspace, but this conspiracy seems a bit beneath Richard, in my opinion.