Who is Wade Englund?

[_Blixa]

Yes, that is exactly what Wade is talking about: a fictional character who is an exaggerated parody of a stereotype! Good catch!

In other words, art immitating life--even if in an exagerated way. You may be on to something there, Blixa. [Thumbs up]

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

Your simplistic come-back even further demonstrates that you mistake the fiction for fact. All your comments on men and women (of any orientation) sound like outdated stereotypes and throwbacks. To paraphrase beastie, its not surprising you haven't found a suitable life partner given the negative regard in which you seem to hold most of humanity.

You should get out more.

[_Nightlion]

Oh...and I forgot to mention another unflattering characteristic of women, which is the tendency to blame men for their problems. :)

Calling Blixa sweetie? Hmm?Women have unflattering characteristics? Men who love women are charmed withal. How can a gender divided against itself stand? LOL!
Wade, you are OUTED.
A flaming misanthrope.
Unless you are lying about hating men too. Further I cannot say.

[_beastie]

Not necessarily. It all depends upon how we are lumped together with Nazis. If we are lumped together under organizations that existed in Germany prior to WWII, I don'[t think LDS would be the least bit offended by that. I certainly wouldn't be. Even if we were lumped together within the broad-rqanged superset of authoritarian organizations, I don't know that I would object.

It also depends upon why we are being lumped together. If the intent is to shift the discussion from personal attacks to looking at public policy issues in a progressive way (as was the case with me), then I can't see LDS being offended. However, if the intent is to personally attack (which mine wasn't), then I can see your point.

You may recall that during the discussions in the past, I mentioned that I have a learning disorder--audio processing. As such, I am lumped together with people of differing learning disorders, form moderate to severe. Because of my learning disorder, I may rightly be lumped into the general category of disorders along with people with sexual attraction disorder (including those to which you take offence). All, for good reason, and without the least bit of offence intended or the least bit of offence taken by me.

Your larger set consisted of nothing but a list of predatory sexual behavior. Yet you insist homosexuals should not be offended by being lumped in with pedophilia, bestiality, and necrophilia. Given this logic, you should have NO problem with Mormonism being included in a set that included only the social movement equivalent of pedophilia:

Naziism, Heaven's Gate, The People's Temple, Charles Manson's family.

No problem, right?

Then, after creating this website, calling myself a "center" for studying these movements, to follow Wade's footsteps I would have to next go to LDS boards and invite them to my website, and then pretend that their offense is just "saying more about them" then it is about me.

Actually, Wade, this is entirely about you.

[_Blixa]

Oh...and I forgot to mention another unflattering characteristic of women, which is the tendency to blame men for their problems. :)

Calling Blixa sweetie? Hmm?Women have unflattering characteristics? Men who love women are charmed withal. How can a gender divided against itself stand? LOL!
Wade, you are OUTED.
A flaming misanthrope.
Unless you are lying about hating men too. Further I cannot say.

spot on.

[_wenglund]

Your simplistic come-back even further demonstrates that you mistake the fiction for fact.

This ignorant and defensive reaction tells me you are blind to my clear deliniation between fiction and fact. So, let me connect the dots for you dear: art = fiction, and life = fact. Did you get it that time?

All your comments on men and women (of any orientation) sound like outdated stereotypes and throwbacks. To paraphrase beastie, its not surprising you haven't found a suitable life partner given the negative regard in which you seem to hold most of humanity.

You should get out more.

I see that you, too, are, for want of a valid response, intent on ironically fictionalizing me as having negative regard, but let me ask you an honest question: Are women as a group, or gays as a group, above and/or beyond criticism of any sort?

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

[_beastie]

What was interesting about Wade's participation on the gay board (which is no longer extant) is that, at the very same time that Wade was inviting participants to visit his disgusting website, there was another man there who HATED the gay board members. His posts consisted of nothing more than rants about how disgusting they were, and making sexual slurs about the type of sex gay males have. It was so screamingly obvious that this fellow was a self-loathing closeted homosexual (I mean, really, what straight man would post on a board for gay men making repeated sexual slurs about anal sex and oral sex????) that, if not for the fact that I realized these gay people had to put up with his kind their entire lives, it would have been funny.

Sure, Wade was more polite than this fellow, and didn't make open sexual slurs, but once you visited his website and saw how he lumped in adult CONSENSUAL homosexual sex with pedophilia, bestiality, and necrophilia, you realized that the difference between Wade that that fellow was really very small, and the difference was mainly in tone rather than substance.

No matter how repulsive straight men might find male homosexual sex, I would expect it would be very rare for them to spend a great deal of time thinking about that sex. I've certainly never met a straight man who spent any amount of time at all thinking about gay male sex. (yeah, they do think about lesbian sex, but that is another story...)

[_wenglund]

Calling Blixa sweetie? Hmm?Women have unflattering characteristics? Men who love women are charmed withal. How can a gender divided against itself stand? LOL!
Wade, you are OUTED.
A flaming misanthrope.
Unless you are lying about hating men too. Further I cannot say.

Those who presume that a brief list of repelling behaviors is indicative of anthrope, particularly when clearly and repeatedly clarified to the contrary, are divided against reason (you've been busted Nightlion"), and do themselves a disservice by saying anything, let alone further. LOL

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

[_Buffalo]

If you'll go back and read the post again, you'll see that I didn't "flip" logically anywhere. I said that there is no way do demonstrate the claimed causal connection between social conditioning mediated by "the patriarchy" and female psychological attributes regarding self image, and that the connection is likely more complex and symbiotic than the feminist ideological template assumes and argues, with both intrinsic psychological features and culture conditioning and reflecting each other.

No "patriarchy," - an ideological construct - is necessary as an explanatory framework.

Save your breath, Droopy. EA is obviouisly a throw-back to the early 70's, and has been so demasculated by bad feminism as to mis-think homosexuality is sacrosanct and above criticism, and thus even the slightest expressed aversion to anything about them is deserving of the patented 70's response--contemptously dismiss it as BIGOTRY!! Hence, the straw man mantra s/he has been impotently repeating against me. As such, we can do ourselves a favor by paying her/his posts little or no mind.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

Hey you two closeted TBMers, get a room!

[_schreech]

Overly dramatic, vane, gossipy, and catty.

They also tend to embrace the worst aspects of men: promiscuous, unfaithful, abusive, and self-centered.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

Hmmm....that's interesting because all 50+ year old, celibate, never-married Mormon men who troll gay forums that I have encountered are, inevitably closeted (and very frustrated) homosexual men who don't seem to have very good communication skills and blindly support anything/anyone that claims to be defending the LDS church regardless of how ridiculous it makes them look...

They also tend to embrace the worst aspects of Mormon belief: blind-faith, logically deficient, bigoted, judgmental, un-christlike, arrogant, ignorant.

[_wenglund]

I would think it astonishing, were it not Beastie who, after years obsessing aobut the one-page web site that was active for three days and has been dormant for more than a decade and gone from the web for half that time, has yet to figure out that the site was about sexual ATTRACTION and not sexual BEHAVIOR, and this in spite of the fact that the name of the web page explicitly mentions ATTRACTION and didn't mention BEHAVIOR. In other words, her weeping and lamentations about "concentual/non-consentual" distinction, which relates to behavior, is entirely irrelevant to the subjectmatter of my one-page web site.

But, by golly, she isn't going to be denied her seemingly endless indignation no matter how impertinent. Once that sanctimonious juggernaut was misguidedly set in motion in the distant past, there is nothng stopping it--not facts, nor sensibility, nor ever her own personal embarrassment.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-