All of the supernatural characters of Christianity

[_Buffalo]

Occam's razor makes us chose the simplest explanation...

Ockham's razor is a heuristic device; it does not "make" us choose anything.

Yes, you are free to choose the most complex, convoluted, unlikely explanation, if you wish.

[_Buffalo]

Authentic historical evidence. Not 19th century "revelations"

Then you need to do a lot of reading.

This evidence doesn't exist. If it did, you'd post it, instead of saying "you need to do a lot of reading" (which is good advice for anyone, regardless).

No, some don't. Most did have Messianic significance in Judaism. Whether the original writers thought they did is a task for mind-readers and bad historians.

Jewish scholars disagree. And really, you only need to read the context to see that these were not messianic prophesies. Jesus doesn't fit the messiah profile.

Resurrection is a common theme because it's part wish fulfillment, part hero archetype.

And real.

I understand that you believe it's real, but you have no evidence for it.

No. What I really, really wanted was for Mormonism to be true and for God to be real. The first time I seriously considered that there might not be a god, (several years ago) I was horrified. I couldn't deal with it. I felt like a chasm had opened up, that the whole world was empty and meaningless. I shelved my doubts for a year because I literally could not deal with that feeling. But my doubts didn't go away. I wish there were a God. I wish Mormonism were true. Sincerely.

Then you should have sought God again.

I tried. I really did try. I put my doubts and my brain on the back burner for quite a while. But in the end I couldn't force myself to believe, though I tried. It didn't add up for me. I couldn't unlearn what I had learned.

It is but I don't think you believe me.

No, I don't, but I accept that you honestly believe it's true.

And I can't stop you. Carry on then.

Thanks.

[_The Nehor]

This evidence doesn't exist. If it did, you'd post it, instead of saying "you need to do a lot of reading" (which is good advice for anyone, regardless).

No I wouldn't. I gave up on doing research for other people here.

Jewish scholars disagree. And really, you only need to read the context to see that these were not messianic prophesies. Jesus doesn't fit the messiah profile.

Of course they do now.

I understand that you believe it's real, but you have no evidence for it.

Not any I can show you.

I tried. I really did try. I put my doubts and my brain on the back burner for quite a while. But in the end I couldn't force myself to believe, though I tried. It didn't add up for me. I couldn't unlearn what I had learned.

Sorry to hear that.

No, I don't, but I accept that you honestly believe it's true.

Thanks.

Thanks.

No problem.

[_Buffalo]

No I wouldn't. I gave up on doing research for other people here.

Such evidence would turn the Christian and Jewish world on its head. Don't be shy!

Of course they do now.

Then, too. I think even LDS theologians agree that Jesus was not the Messiah that the Jews had expected.

Thanks for the nice discussion, Nehor.

[_Yoda]

No I wouldn't. I gave up on doing research for other people here.

Such evidence would turn the Christian and Jewish world on its head. Don't be shy!

Of course they do now.

Then, too. I think even LDS theologians agree that Jesus was not the Messiah that the Jews had expected.

Thanks for the nice discussion, Nehor.

I would like to jump in, if I may. It is true that Jesus was not the Messiah that most Jews expected. That is why Judaism still exists today. The bulk of their belief is wrapped up in the fact that the Messiah is yet to arrive.

In Christ's time, the Jews did not expect a baby. They expected a king...and not only a king, but a warrior. Even when Christ began his ministry, be brought the message of peace...the message of accepting all into his fold. This infuriated many of the Jews, who had been waiting for centuries to be hailed up as the chosen people...the people of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob. The thought that gentiles could simply be adopted into the tribe was blasphemous in their eyes.

This is one of the reasons I'm actually surprised that the LDS does not celebrate Palm Sunday. That event was very significant because Christ identified himself as the Messiah.

[_Some Schmo]

This is one of the reasons I'm actually surprised that the LDS does not celebrate Palm Sunday.

This is slightly off topic, but even I celebrate Palm Sunday... well, if my wife is out of town.

I think I'll now go celebrate Palm Thursday.

[_Yoda]

This is one of the reasons I'm actually surprised that the LDS does not celebrate Palm Sunday.

This is slightly off topic, but even I celebrate Palm Sunday... well, if my wife is out of town.

I think I'll now go celebrate Palm Thursday.

You need another trip to the Goddess Suite! LOL

[_Some Schmo]

This is slightly off topic, but even I celebrate Palm Sunday... well, if my wife is out of town.

I think I'll now go celebrate Palm Thursday.

You need another trip to the Goddess Suite! LOL

You say that as though it will help, but what do you think I'm going to be thinking about next Palm Saturday?

That's right. The Goddess Suite. Thanks a lot.

[_consiglieri]

Then, too. I think even LDS theologians agree that Jesus was not the Messiah that the Jews had expected.

I think this idea may be slowly turning around due to Margaret Barker's research in this area, which suggests a perpetuation of First Temple theology among at least a segment of the Jewish population down to the time Jesus came.

At the very least, she asks a good question--If Jesus were indeed completely different from what "all" the Jews expected of their predicted Messiah, why would his religion have gained such popularity considering his ignominious end?

All the Best!

--Consiglieri

[_Buffalo]

Then, too. I think even LDS theologians agree that Jesus was not the Messiah that the Jews had expected.

I think this idea may be slowly turning around due to Margaret Barker's research in this area, which suggests a perpetuation of First Temple theology among at least a segment of the Jewish population down to the time Jesus came.

At the very least, she asks a good question--If Jesus were indeed completely different from what "all" the Jews expected of their predicted Messiah, why would his religion have gained such popularity considering his ignominious end?

All the Best!

--Consiglieri

That's a good question, but I don't think Jesus made much of a splash in his lifetime. In his lifetime, he was barely a blip on a radar. I think whatever success Christianity had is largely due to the innovations of Jesus' followers, after his death.