Will Schryver's Benefactor

[_sock puppet]

He contradicts what you've said.

He does? Where? How?

I think you probably should cut back on your marijuana use.

Since I use none, how would I do that?

[_Kishkumen]

<sigh>

The performance of Macbeth was Monday, August 9th. My post referring to a long phone conversation with Royal “this past weekend” was dated Wednesday August 25th. Armed with a calendar, you should be able to figure this one out.

Anyway, notwithstanding my enduring fascination with the apostate evangelist mind, I’m afraid you will all have to carry on without me, at least for the time being. I have better things to do today than bang my head against the impenetrable walls of reality-impaired Mormon-apostate conspiracy theorists.

I don't know exactly what you are belly-aching about. We posed a series of questions, which you have returned to "answer," and I appreciate you doing so. So, as it happens, Royal Skousen spent four days with you, wherein, among other things, you attended a play and ate lunch together. Your description of the weekend does indeed contradict Nomad's version of the events, so questions remain as to the accuracy of both your report and his. I don't really care to work out the reasons for the disparity. Since I don't see much reason to trust either one of you, I'll just file it under "reasons not to trust Schryver and friends."

In total, then, we can say that Skousen spent a long weekend at chez Schryver, wherein he dispensed advice about academia to you (as you claim), then later you had a very long phone conversation with him about the KEP, and then, as you later claim, exchanged some emails on the topic. Most recently you attempted to reduce all of your interaction with him to these emails, but it is fairly clear that the relationship is far more involved than that, and that discussion of scholarship and the KEP occurs in most instances of your interaction. OK.

Since you continue to represent all of these things in different ways on different occasions, and on each occasion modify the impression you attempt to make on others regarding the significance of Skousen to your work, it seems to me that you are left with a real credibility problem. If you were a person of any significance, and this were a topic of any real significance, that would be a real problem, but I am inclined simply to forgo trying to untangle your various tales and once again settle on the conclusion that you are not being honest. With that I return to things of importance to me...

Enjoy your little foray into the world of scholarship and apologetics. I hope your other endeavors cause much less useless, yea, even counterproductive, drama, for the sake of others if not for you.

[_Buffalo]

<sigh>

It's cute that you copy DCP's affectation.

[_Doctor Scratch]

Will,

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't you say that you had to get First Presidency approval in order to examine the Book of Abraham materials? If that's the case, to whom did you address the letter, and what did your letter say? And how were you granted permission? Did the FP send you a letter in return? (And if so, who signed it, and what did it say?) Or was a phone call made? And were any BYU people involved during the whole approval process?

[_Nomad]

So, as it happens, Royal Skousen spent four days with you, wherein, among other things, you attended a play and ate lunch together.

?

Will said Skousen came Monday afternoon 8/9 and left on Tuesday afternoon 8/10. Not sure what time zone you're in, but that adds up to 24 hours where I live.

Your description of the weekend does indeed contradict Nomad's version of the events, so questions remain as to the accuracy of both your report and his.

What are you talking about?

I don't really care to work out the reasons for the disparity.

Good idea, since there isn't any that I can see.

Since I don't see much reason to trust either one of you, I'll just file it under "reasons not to trust Schryver and friends."

Whatever.

In total, then, we can say that Skousen spent a long weekend at chez Schryver ...

Monday afternoon to Tuesday afternoon = "a long weekend" in your world? OK.

... wherein he dispensed advice about academia to you (as you claim), then later you had a very long phone conversation with him about the KEP, and then, as you later claim, exchanged some emails on the topic. Most recently you attempted to reduce all of your interaction with him to these emails, but it is fairly clear that the relationship is far more involved than that ...

In your alternate universe, anything is possible.

Since you continue to represent all of these things in different ways on different occasions, and on each occasion modify the impression you attempt to make on others regarding the significance of Skousen to your work, it seems to me that you are left with a real credibility problem.

I don't recall Will ever saying anything about Skousen except that he has looked at Schryver's KEP research and thought it made a good case for his arguments. Maybe there's something I've missed?

[_Will Schryver]

/snip/

You obviously either didn't read or simply did not pay attention to a single thing I said. You're so fixated on your agenda, it apparently doesn't matter what I say.

Nothing new about that ...

[_Will Schryver]

I'm not sure why I'm bothering to answer your questions, but here goes:

Will,

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't you say that you had to get First Presidency approval in order to examine the Book of Abraham materials?

So I was told.

If that's the case, to whom did you address the letter ...

Elder Marlin K. Jensen, Church Historian.

... and what did your letter say?

It was a research proposal that summarized my findings to date and requested access to the original documents in order to continue my research.

And how were you granted permission? Did the FP send you a letter in return?

I was informed of the approval, via e-mail, by Elder Jensen. I eventually traveled to SLC to sign a formal research contract governing my use of the source materials--standard intellectual property contract, as far as I could tell.

... were any BYU people involved during the whole approval process?

Not to my knowledge. I specifically asked both Brian Hauglid and John Gee (whom I had listed as references). Both explicitly denied having been contacted. I can't imagine that anyone else would have been contacted besides those two, since--at the time, at least--I was virtually unknown to anyone else at BYU.

[_Nomad]

/snip/

You obviously either didn't read or simply did not pay attention to a single thing I said. You're so fixated on your agenda, it apparently doesn't matter what I say.

Nothing new about that ...

I thought the same thing.

[_Kishkumen]

I don't recall Will ever saying anything about Skousen except that he has looked at Schryver's KEP research and thought it made a good case for his arguments. Maybe there's something I've missed?

Gee, so you are now disputing that you wrote the following words, which sock puppet kindly linked for us:

I’ve exchanged e-mails with William in the past hour. He had just returned from having lunch with Royal Skousen (Skousen and his wife have been visiting the Schryvers the past couple days.)

Skousen spent a few days carefully examining Schryver’s detailed findings and believes the dependency question entirely unassailable on purely text-critical grounds, much as Daniel McClellin is beginning to observe, as seen by his posts here. He (Skousen) believes William should consider submitting his eventual book to Oxford or Yale for publication, rather than to BYU, since his findings are not polemical or apologetic at all, and he (Skousen) seems to believe that either place would give them serious consideration.

Gee, I wonder why we are confused about the precise nature of what happened, when you guys change the story each time you tell it, all the while claiming that we are the ones who are confused. If you guys told were clear and truthful the first time, then maybe there wouldn't be a problem.

As I said, I really don't care to untangle all of the lies to find the truth in this mess. It really isn't worth it. But it is obvious that the story continues to change, and it is so absurd that the only thing worth noting is that we are dealing with people who are full of crap.

[_Buffalo]

You obviously either didn't read or simply did not pay attention to a single thing I said. You're so fixated on your agenda, it apparently doesn't matter what I say.

Nothing new about that ...

I thought the same thing.