Did Obama write Dreams From My Father?

[_Buffalo]

About 8 hours after Cashill's article appeared and his "real photo" was revealed to be a very poor photoshop, WND edited it out with no reference to a major correction. Attempting to disappear things down the memory hole isn't a new thing to WND here and no one should be shocked.

That this happened and Obiwan isn't even going to be phased should say something about the mentality he possesses.

He'll be back tomorrow ranting and raving about those dishonest "libruls"

[_richardMdBorn]

Sorry that I've been absent from this thread for so long. I've been pretty busy in the last two months. I just started a new job and have been negotiating my own book deal. It's signed, so my posting for the next year will be limited.

Eric, would you agree that Obama and Ayers were closer than his 2008 campaign admitted? They were on the Annenberg Challenge together and Obama's first fundraiser for his first state senate race was held at Ayers's house. In January 2008, a retired University of Chicago professor, who has interviewed Obama, told me that Obama and Ayers were very close. They were both part of the Hyde Park radical set. Chris Anderson states that it was common knowledge in Hyde Park that Ayers had helped write Dreams.

It's pretty clear that Obama has told big whoppers about his background. His notorious Selma reference is an example of this.

This young man named Barack Obama got one of those tickets and came over to this country. He met this woman whose great great-great-great-grandfather had owned slaves; but she had a good idea there was some craziness going on because they looked at each other and they decided that we know that the world as it has been it might not be possible for us to get together and have a child. There was something stirring across the country because of what happened in Selma, Alabama, because some folks are willing to march across a bridge. So they got together and Barack Obama Jr. was born. So don't tell me I don't have a claim on Selma, Alabama. Don't tell me I’m not coming home to Selma, Alabama.

http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2007/03/obamas_selma_speech_text_as_de.html

I assume that you can detect the problems with this account. More later.

[_Droopy]

Before readers take Obiwan's word for anything, they would be wise to remember who they are dealing with. Obiwan also once said that everyone that attempted to assassinate an American president was a "left-winger." LOL!

Did he really mean to imply that John Wilkes Booth or John Hinckley were "leftists?"

In any case, Lee Harvey Oswald, the perpetrator of the most notable presidential assassination in American history (save only for Lincoln) was a committed Castroite communist who's motive was to strike a blow for the socialist world by killing the open and unashamed cold warrior John F. Kennedy.

This is just more right-wing propaganda.

Unless, of course, the claim that its just more right wing propaganda is a textbook example of just more left wing propaganda.

I imagine that those commenting on this thread know very little about Bill Ayers, and even less about why they are supposed to hate him.

Do you really want to go there? I say this because the position one takes on Bill Ayers and those like him, and what the stand for and represent, always ends by telling us as much about the one taking the respective position as about the individuals in question.

[_Droopy]

Huh? I don't get it.

Obiwan claims that word pattern studies were performed on Obama's book that prove it was written by Bill Ayers.

It's strange, every time I actually take the time to look at the evidence for one of these right-wing conspiracy theories I'm thoroughly disappointed. Likewise, the conversation always seems to halt at that point. I expect such idiocy from Obiwan and bcspace, but this conspiracy seems a bit beneath Richard, in my opinion.

Actually, conspiratorial thinking seems to be the traditional forté of the Left, not the Right (save for a tiny, populist fringe), but in any case, here's an interesting take on the subject given just prior to the election of a president who seamlessly blends Frankfurt School cultural Marxism and the black power movement with Alinskyite social and political agitation into a heady transformational confection ('cause he mixes it with love and makes the world taste good...).


http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/10/ ... the_1.html

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/10/ ... wrote.html

There would appear to be a substantial quantity of indirect, circumstantial evidence that Ayers had some substantial input into Dreams From my Father, including the manner in which Obama falls apart linguistically without his teleprompter.

Obama is linguistically adept only when closely following a script from which the slightest divergence means rhetorical ineptitude, and had shown no such literary qualities before Dreams, and little since.

Obama was understood to be an empty suit before his election, and that perception - supported by a mountain of evidence and fact, not the least of which are the policies he has pursued since that election - that has been shown, time and again, to be sound.

[_Droopy]

Obama and his supporters have used his supposed authorship of Dreams from My Father to support the view that he's a literary genius. If he did not write it, then yet another myth about him is exploded.

Richard, I hate to say it, but this conspiracy is laughable. I watched the video, and I'm very disappointed.

Not only is President Obama not any kind of literary genius, or genius of any kind, his overall intellectual abilities are, at the very best, modest, and of the kind spread widely throughout the general population.

[_Droopy]

Did you even read his article???

Clearly not, because his article has nothing about a "forged photo" in it.
Looks like it's "made up" as all MediaMatters "facts" are about anyone anti-liberal.

It looks like Cashill made some hasty edits to his article. But he's on record making the spurious claims about his own bad photoshop.

http://mediamatters.org/blog/201104070013

But keep on being a gullible tool!

Try, next time, for a source that might in some conceivable sense be understood to have some degree of intellectual credibility.

These Soros associated/funded political smear/spin/damage control sites for the foam flecked Democratic base just won't do Buff.

[_Droopy]

Sorry that I've been absent from this thread for so long. I've been pretty busy in the last two months. I just started a new job and have been negotiating my own book deal. It's signed, so my posting for the next year will be limited.

Eric, would you agree that Obama and Ayers were closer than his 2008 campaign admitted? They were on the Annenberg Challenge together and Obama's first fundraiser for his first state senate race was held at Ayers's house. In January 2008, a retired University of Chicago professor, who has interviewed Obama, told me that Obama and Ayers were very close. They were both part of the Hyde Park radical set. Chris Anderson states that it was common knowledge in Hyde Park that Ayers had helped write Dreams.

It's pretty clear that Obama has told big whoppers about his background. His notorious Selma reference is an example of this.

This young man named Barack Obama got one of those tickets and came over to this country. He met this woman whose great great-great-great-grandfather had owned slaves; but she had a good idea there was some craziness going on because they looked at each other and they decided that we know that the world as it has been it might not be possible for us to get together and have a child. There was something stirring across the country because of what happened in Selma, Alabama, because some folks are willing to march across a bridge. So they got together and Barack Obama Jr. was born. So don't tell me I don't have a claim on Selma, Alabama. Don't tell me I’m not coming home to Selma, Alabama.

http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2007/03/obamas_selma_speech_text_as_de.html

I assume that you can detect the problems with this account. More later.

Eric is a thoroughgoing and unfazed retro-fellow traveler and useful idiot of the kind one might think had been shown the quickest route to the La Brea Tar Pits after the Berlin Wall came tumbling down in 1989. But no, Eric, like Red Kevin Graham, WhyMe, Analytics, and some others lurking in the shadows, are inveterate rehabilitators of the transformational/totalitarian dream of a scientifically controlled, equalized, rigorously engineered social order managed by a state apparatus wielding vast unaccountable, unlimited centralized coercive power placed in the hands of a tiny ruling elite composed of various "experts" in the "social sciences."

Obama represents the best hope, within institutional politics at this time, of moving the United States toward a much more fully socialized, egalitarian day care center state than has any politician/ruling coalition in modern political history.

[_richardMdBorn]

Cashill in p 77 argues that these two passages are very similar.

The confrontation in the Fishbowl flowed like a swollen river into the teach-in, carrying me along the cascading waters from room to room, hall to hall, bouncing off boulders.

Fugitive days 56.

I heard all our voices begin to run together, the sound of three generations tumbling over each other like the currents of a slow-moving stream, my questions like rocks roiling the water, the breaks in memory separating the currents. . . .

Dreams 394

There are many other portions of the two books which appear to have been written by the same person, whereas Dreams and Audacity were probably written by different people. More later

[_Eric]

The confrontation in the Fishbowl flowed like a swollen river into the teach-in, carrying me along the cascading waters from room to room, hall to hall, bouncing off boulders.

Fugitive days 56.

I heard all our voices begin to run together, the sound of three generations tumbling over each other like the currents of a slow-moving stream, my questions like rocks roiling the water, the breaks in memory separating the currents. . . .

Dreams 394

Richard,

Do you honestly think the above passages came from the same person? I really am having a hard time seeing what you apparently see in this comparison.

[_Eric]

Before readers take Obiwan's word for anything, they would be wise to remember who they are dealing with. Obiwan also once said that everyone that attempted to assassinate an American president was a "left-winger." LOL!

Did he really mean to imply that John Wilkes Booth or John Hinckley were "leftists?"

Yes he did. It was hilarious.

In any case, Lee Harvey Oswald, the perpetrator of the most notable presidential assassination in American history (save only for Lincoln) was a committed Castroite communist who's motive was to strike a blow for the socialist world by killing the open and unashamed cold warrior John F. Kennedy.

I don't know if that's true. Oswald's best friend said that the rumors of Oswald being a Marxist is "a lot of baloney."

http://www.history-matters.com/archive/ ... _0009b.htm

Do you really want to go there?

Absolutely. I'd love to discuss Bill Ayers with you.

I say this because the position one takes on Bill Ayers and those like him, and what the stand for and represent, always ends by telling us as much about the one taking the respective position as about the individuals in question.

My position is that 99% of the people that cite the Obama Ayers relationship don't even know who Bill Ayers is, what he did, and why the connection is supposedly problematic. I'd love to hear your thoughts, though.