Mormon Apologetics & Misogyny: The Case of William Schryver

[_harmony]

Let's go back, what, 5, 8, 10 years. All the way back to ZLMB. You've been quite clear about at least two things that long ago caught my attention and the attention of others.

The first is that you continue to hold and renew Temple recommends, and apparently attend the Temple at least now and then.

This has nothing to do with Will's posts, Droopy. You're trying to get us to follow you down a rabbit hole.

God knows; you aren't in the loop.

The second is that you do not accept or support, and have long been highly critical of, virtually every core doctrine, truth claim, program/policy of the LDS Church.

This is completely untrue. And not at all related to the topic of the thread.

God knows; you aren't in the loop.

You have been bitterly critical and fierce in your berating of virtually all general authorities of the Church, on intellectual, psychological, and ethical grounds, but with particular venom aimed at specific individuals.

So? That's got nothing to do with Will's posts, nor am I the topic of this thread.

God knows; you aren't in the loop.

Third, the above two states of affairs do not harmonize well with each other, and indeed, would seem to be utterly incongruous unless a hypothesis is considered, which hypothesis is that the answers you give to the questions asked of you during the Temple recommend interviews are not the same answers you would give if you were to answer them here, or answer them to others without authority to withhold the recommend and who you could reasonably be certain would not pass those answers along to those who may transfer those sentiments to your ecclesiastical authorities.

Off topic.

God knows; you aren't in the loop.

[_Jersey Girl]

Taking this in small bites...

Loran

I stand for the provision of some degree of evidence of Will's alleged misogyny beyond what Will has described adequately as PG rated digs at various woman now and then over time, and that the c^%t term was ever actually used (Will has flatly denied it).

Will flatly denied virtually all of the remarks he's made as documented in Jack's OP.

On this thread, I have asked harmony if he called her a c**t. She replied in the affirmative.

I have never known harmony to lie or deny her way out of anything on this board. Why? She doesn't need to. The other situations referenced in the OP are enough to hang a case of misogyny on Will.

So you tell me, Loran, what you think her motivations would be to lie about this one incident? Do you think she cares either way about his apologetics and if you do, tell me why she cares.

[_harmony]

God knows. Denials mean nothing in the face of that.

The point is, you have no ethical credibility. See above.

The point is, God knows. Will's denials to the contrary, God knows.

[_Jersey Girl]

God knows. Denials mean nothing in the face of that.

The point is, you have no ethical credibility. See above.

On this thread, it is documented fact that Will has referred to female posters as bitches and whores, it is alleged that he called a female moderator a cunt.

And instead of questioning Will's character, you question the character of harmony.

[_harmony]

With all due respect, I think you're missing a key piece of the puzzle, harmony: Will believes that his calling and election have been made sure (apparently he doesn't realize that this requires a special ritual in the upper-room of the temple and a special invitation to participate therein), so he simultaneously believes himself to be exempt from the normal rules of repentance that the rest of us have to follow. In other words, he believes that he has a golden ticket from God to do and say whatever he wants.

The day Will tries to actually prove that ordinance has been performed is the day I seriously begin to doubt he can come back.

God will not be mocked. It is one of the most encouraging things about him.

[_Will Schryver]

harm,

Did this Will character call you a c**t?

Yes, Jersey.

Fill the cup, dear dissonance.

Fill it full.

One day you'll drain the dregs.

[_Droopy]

On this thread, it is documented fact that Will has referred to female posters as bitches and whores, it is alleged that he called a female moderator a c***.

And instead of questioning Will's character, you question the character of harmony.

After dealing with Harmony in these forums and others, for nearly a decade, I long ago came to the conclusion that her character was roughly on the same level as that of Scratch.

Rather typical, indeed, for the dedicated exmo psychology of which Harmony is a textbook example.

[_Jersey Girl]

And instead of questioning Will's character, you question the character of harmony.

After dealing with Harmony in these forums and others, for nearly a decade, I long ago came to the conclusion that her character was roughly on the same level as that of Scratch.

Rather typical, indeed, for the dedicated exmo psychology of which Harmony is a textbook example.

Let's take harmony out of the equation. Do you agree or disagree with Will's references to female posters as whores and bitches?

Agree/Disagree

[_harmony]

Fill the cup, dear dissonance.

Fill it full.

One day you'll drain the dregs.

God knows, Will. Denial is fruitless. Repent while you still can.

Surely you know the process... acknowledge the sin, confess to your bishop, ask for forgiveness from those you have wronged, make restitution, vow to cease and desist...

Pride, Will... the source of all other sins.

God will not be mocked.

[_Jersey Girl]

harm,

Did this Will character call you a c**t?

Yes, Jersey.

Fill the cup, dear dissonance.

Fill it full.

One day you'll drain the dregs.

So what did you call her, Will?