Osama Bin Laden Dead!

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Malcolm wrote:
Fiannan wrote:I have noticed several Afghan people on my Facebook pointing out that they have never heard of any Muslim customs involving burial at sea. Also, without a body we just have to assume Obama is both telling us the truth that Osama is dead, and have to just accept that he died yesterday and that Pakistani intelligence was wrong about Osama being dead for years.



Chatting to my local Cab driver today, he also said that as a Muslim, he had never heard of burial at sea. An American Correspondent speaking on the BBC said today that the burial at sea was done in keeping with Muslim tradition. The body was washed, placed in a white winding sheet and gently lowered into the sea. Presumably, the burial at sea was done to prevent a grave becoming the centre-piece for a martyr's memorial where his terrorist brethren could congregate. If he is dead, then all well and good, but it all seems too neatly wrapped up for me, and sadly there are still far too many of his ilk who would bring terror to the West.


Would've been a good place to dispatch them.

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I don't know whether Muslims ever bury people at sea or not. The actual burial method is really beside the point, however. What the US was trying to do was demonstrate that they were sensitive to Muslims customs regarding the treatment of the body. Muslim tradition requires that a person be buried within a day of their death. Their body should be washed, and wrapped up in white. If the US washed his body, wrapped it in white, and dropped it into the ocean within a day, they have demonstrated sensitivity to muslim concerns as much as they could. I am glad they did.
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KimberlyAnn wrote:I do agree that treating Osama's body in accord with Muslim tradition and expectations was a wise move. The right and moral move, actually.


Then there is no more to be said. You clearly see things the way they are, and the rest is just a distraction.

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zeezrom wrote:I've had to stop worrying/obsessing about the current state of the world and just care about my little world. Sometimes, I have to let things go. Maybe I'm being an irresponsible citizen... After being a political delegate in my precinct and arguing politics with everyone, I found I was not satisfied, so I retired from all that.


That is sound advice, and sometimes very difficult to do thanks to the political wackos who curse this board with their presence. I refrain from naming them to avoid looking like I am inviting them to leave.
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Bush wins again. Obama merely used information gleaned from detainees at Guantanamo Bay via enhanced interrogation methods. He campaigned against both of those and now he is trying to benefit from them.

As for Osama, he can now have Hitler and fellow national socialist Ted Kennedy over to crash at his pad and revel with the 72 virgin goats. Save one for Obama because he says he ain't no muslim.
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bcspace wrote:Bush wins again. Obama merely used information gleaned from detainees at Guantanamo Bay via enhanced interrogation methods. He campaigned against both of those and now he is trying to benefit from them.

As for Osama, he can now have Hitler and fellow national socialist Ted Kennedy over to crash at his pad and revel with the 72 virgin goats. Save one for Obama because he says he ain't no muslim.


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I guess the Republicans will use this event in the desperate bid to find something to be proud of in a Bush presidency they spend most of their time these days trying to disavow.
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DarkHelmet wrote:There was something a little too professional about this assassination. They go in, and with relatively little collateral damage kill Bin Laden, take possession of the body, positively ID him, and then bury him at sea. I only wish they would have recorded the SEALS pouring pigs blood on his corpse, and pissing all over him and then broadcast the video to the world.

If the operation was too professional, it really defines just how well trained the men who went it were. Once they had the location pegged, they probably waited until just the right time to strike.

Your sentiment of pouring blood and pissing on the corpse can be equated to the Taliban dragging a dead corpse around or cutting off a head and releasing pictures. We are civilized and actions like these would sink us to that level. If one wanted to fuel the fires of terrorism, those actions would do far more harm then the supposed intent.

In this case, killing Bin Laden was a necessity. It's done, he's dead, game over, and now that the charismatic leader has fallen there will be someone to take his throne, but without the huge funding it may have less impact. While I don't personally understand the motivation to dance in the streets, I didn't lose anyone close to me on 911... I'm just glad it's over.
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Malcolm wrote:Chatting to my local Cab driver today, he also said that as a Muslim, he had never heard of burial at sea. An American Correspondent speaking on the BBC said today that the burial at sea was done in keeping with Muslim tradition. The body was washed, placed in a white winding sheet and gently lowered into the sea. Presumably, the burial at sea was done to prevent a grave becoming the centre-piece for a martyr's memorial where his terrorist brethren could congregate. If he is dead, then all well and good, but it all seems too neatly wrapped up for me, and sadly there are still far too many of his ilk who would bring terror to the West.


No country would take him.
http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/0 ... tml?hpt=T1
Washington (CNN) -- Osama bin Laden was buried at sea from the deck of a U.S. aircraft carrier because there was no alternative to bury him on land within the 24 hours required by Islamic law, President Barack Obama's homeland security and counterterrorism adviser said Monday.

"The disposal of -- the burial of bin Laden's remains was done in strict conformance with Islamic precepts and practices. It was prepared in accordance with the Islamic requirements," adviser John Brennan told reporters at a White House briefing. "We early on made provisions for that type of burial and we wanted to make sure that it was going to be done, again, in strictest conformance."
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I am happy that President Barack Obama authorized the killing of Osama Bin Laden. Both those on the far right and those on the far left aren't that happy that President Barack Obama authorized the killing of Osama bin Laden. Those on the far right (such as Rush Limbaugh) aren't that happy that President Barack Obama had Osama Bin Laden killed, because they wished that it would have been Former President George W. Bush that had him killed. Those on the far left aren't happy that President Barack Obama authorized the killing of Osama bin Laden, because they believe that the killing of Osama bin Laden was illegal. Since I am neither part of the far right or far left, I am happy that President Barack Obama authorized Osama Bin Laden killed. I don't care which President had Osama Bin Laden killed, so long as it had got done. And I do Not believe that the killing of Osama Bin Laden was illegal. The world is a better place without that very evil man alive anymore.
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